David Artman writes: >On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Dale Sheldon <dales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: >> I heartily endorse the 4th edition. >I've played a bit at cons, and the impression I got (albeit, from VERY >combat-heavy scenarios) was "I'd rather play Mage Knight." I'm fairly pro-4th -- it's by far the most coherent D&D ever. Of course, it's not for all games, or even all fantasy games, because of: >I've been in the "Indie" game scene for quite a while, and it's kind of >opened my eyes as to how a game system can really enable the type of play >one wants... how one can choose a system to shape a play experience. This. I spent 15 years avoiding D&D in all its forms, but I enjoyed 3.5, once I got into it, as a tactical/roleplay oriented RPG, but it was insanely cumbersome, and a lot of the mechanics required out-of-game research or other time expenditures (resource management, etc). 4th gives the same kind of experience -- light characters with roleplay hooks in a universe with a short growth curve, and team-oriented tactial combat where you get to show off your cool toys -- without as much of the cruft. It's hugely gamist, but I'm a Nar/Gam gamer at heart anyway (with a big continuum); I enjoy Feng Shui too, with a similar mix. OTOH, for -most- stories I want to tell, D&D isn't what I want; I'd rather use OTE or Everway or PTA for more serious games, focusing on character and decisions, not tactics. (my last successful -run- was OTE mechanics with the "keys" borrrowed from The Shadows of Yesterday). Hell, freeform (rule-less, or rule-light where you use your ruleset only when you don't already know what's going to happen) works -fine- for most groups I play with. I'm not a big BW fan, but I haven't spent time thinking about it; I've come closer to Mouse Guard than I have to BW. -- Joshua Kronengold (mneme@(io.com, labcats.org)) |\ _,,,--,,_ ,) --^-- "Did you know, if you increment enough, you /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' /\\ get an extra digit?" "I knew," weeps Six. |,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ /-\\\ "We knew. But we had forgotten." '---''(_/--' (_/-'