I disagree with Draw5PlayAll about pre-draw or between-draw actions... There's actually a FAQ answer for Batarang:

https://faq.looneylabs.com/question/1195

And the one linked on that page as well, about using "on your turn" abilities:

http://faq.looneylabs.com/question/288

A similar question about the Shotgun in Zombie Fluxx:

https://faq.looneylabs.com/question/157

So, yes, it's legal to use it before you draw, but only once during your turn. I would argue this means he could NOT use this ability multiple times in a use ability-draw it-play it-use ability cycle, since you'd be using that same ability twice during your turn. BUT, according to another ruling, you have to draw up to the current draw rule before playing cards:

https://faq.looneylabs.com/question/49

This does bring up the question of legality of using free actions BETWEEN draws... But I tend to treat each draw as separate but add up to a total number rather than an all-at-once thing, due to the nature of Draw rules. (If you play a higher Draw rule than currently in play, you then add to your total draws for the turn, rather than not being able to draw more since your "draw" has passed.) Thus, I'd conclude that free actions can be done between draws as well. Someone official, please correct me if this is wrong.

Now, to the original point: Your brother's strategy is definitely a strong one. I find it interesting that he's able to pull this off consistently enough that it's an issue in a game of Fluxx, and that he gets ALL of the surprises. Surely there are strategies to prevent him getting into this situation to begin with, and surely he doesn't have enough Surprises at one time to stop multiple actions on your part? Does anyone else have any ideas about this powerful combo?

Your deck is fine, it's the list that is incorrect.

It seems to me that those Meta Rules don't count as an "unofficial expansion".  There were never any cards printed.  To my mind they're more like ideas for Blanxx.  I don't know what Playniac's "Not So Fast" MetaRule is, but it sounds like just an idea, and not something that was ever actually made.  If it was, that person should have gotten permission from us, and I'm unaware of anyone asking about such a thing.

If you're talking about the wedding promos for Steve and Amy's wedding, they did actually have those printed up by a printer (with our permission), and they gave them out to folks at the Big Experiment where they got married.  Mind you there are many other people who have simply gotten a pile of blanks, and had artsy friends draw and write a hundred cards for their wedding guests.  Those were more private events, though, so those weren't really what I'd call "made available".

The wedding cards represent a sort of middle ground.  They were given out to the general public but only in a very limited context.  By contrast the second group were all produced and made widely available as promotions.  (Another set was the Loonacy cards we made for ThinkGeek.  Of course those aren't Fluxx.)

I think you can still get the Foam Brain card through Foam Brain Games, I believe.  The others are simply sold out, essentially.  They were one-time promotions.  I guess maybe Foam Brain might be out of those cards too, but I'm not sure.

Thank you so much for this very in-depth response. 

The Playniac's Meta Rule is just a PDF to clarify a bit. 

I guess what I was really trying to ask overall was, are there any recent promos out there currently that are unavailable from the online store? (Other than the new Flowers Keeper) 

Also are those type of promos ever put into the mystery bags of warehouse swag, even if it is an infinitesimal percentage?

Once again thank you for your detailed response.

There's a "new" Flowers Keeper? I know of the promo from Flowers & Fluxx, and the standard Keeper included in Eco/Nature Fluxx, but nothing new...

I've been compiling an unofficial spreadsheet of all publicly available Fluxx cards, and there's a few that aren't really listed or shown on the site or store. Here are the ones I know of, aside from those you mentioned already:

• Weed and Special Brownies (Special Promo 2000, pre Stoner Fluxx and separation of the adult lines)
• The 10th Anniversary Party pack from 2006 or 2007
• The recent 2015 TableTop Day pack with Geek & Sundry cards
• Fluxx & Flowers (3.0 and Flowers promo included with 6 plush flowers)
• A "New Basic Rules" promo from back when 3.1 was released and the basic rules were redesigned

There are probably more lesser-known or rare promos, but those are what I know about.

I'd like to get my hands on a Foam Brain, the Werewolf Kickstarter cards, the 10th Anniversary pack, and Fluxx & Flowers, if anyone knows where to get them. It seems Foam Brain Games' physical store is closed as of this month, and their online store is being redone so I'm not sure how available Foam Brains are now... And sadly, I just missed out on a Flowers & Fluxx eBay auction the other day of a sealed, new package with 3.0 (that I'm also missing as I wanted to get the package)... But the hunt for rare Looney Labs products is on! :)

I've not tried it with Fluxx, but a few weeks ago I tried a similar experiment vs 2 random players in donaldx's Greed. (I won easily.)

FWIW I've also played solitaire against the Robots in Power Grid a few times. :)

What Thomas said.  In this case, one thing happens before another.  Now, if you personally trashed the keeper dureing your turn fFor some reason, you could probably choose to instead use the agents' power fFirst.  But you would not get a two-fer-one on this.

thank you for sharing i love these. now if i only had a printer :( 

No Kinko's/FedEx Office near you? No Copy Center?

Added Chemistry and Math today.

http://splook.com/looneycardlists/Chemistry%20Fluxx%20Organizer.pdf

http://splook.com/looneycardlists/Math%20Fluxx%20Organizer.pdf

Just did the organizer for Drinking Fluxx.

http://splook.com/looneycardlists/Drinking%20Fluxx%20Organizer.pdf

By the way, Amazon.com is now listing Firefly Fluxx, but you have to pay $26.99 (including $5 shipping, since this is a 3rd-party seller) for it.

There's a comic and MtG shop about a mile from my office

Oh, I wish that this was my situation. 

In my city (23rd largest in the USA, so not exactly a small town) there are 3 comic book shops of note, and 1 "FLGS" of note. All are 20 to 30 minutes away from me, on days when there is ideal "no traffic" situations. One of them is actually a tad closer...maybe 15-20 minutes away, and near a great Bar-B-Que joint I love. But I never go into that comic book shop, because they're in a posh suburb and cater more toward the "collectibles" part of their business...you're likely to find more Funko Pop! Vinyl figures in there than anything else, and their comics are only the newest ones just out; no back-catalog stuff.  No card gaming in there at all (M:tG or otherwise), and they'd rather sell you something like this ($190) (actual photo from their website!) than help you get an old issue of Justice League. Or a new one, for that matter.

The one that's farthest away from me might be more likely to carry something like that, but then again if I wanted to make that trip it's a matter of spending money not just on the magazine (which I would discard after getting the card out of it, so $3.99 for just a promo card, plus the gas and time involved).  Or I could just buy the issue online, but now we're talking $3.99 for the magazine and another $3.99 for the shipping, so $7.98 for a promo card.  Yikes. 

Sooner or later Looney Labs will offer it for $1 in their online store, so I can get it for only $5 ($1 for the card, and $4 for the shipping). Not much better, but I can order other promo cards I don't own yet at the same time, and parlay the $4 cost of shipping among several items at once.  Best choice, it seems. 

I guess it just depends on how badly you want to own it, and whether you "gotta have it now" or are willing to wait.  I suppose there are more important things in life than a Fluxx promo card or two (hey...I'm going into the hospital on Monday for an all-day-long invasive diagnostic medical procedure, so let's keep promo cards in perspective! <grin>), and if it ends up I don't get them at all for some reason...oh, well. <shrug> 

But yeah, I'd LIKE to have them.  But it's not worth a willy-nilly search all over town for them.  MAYBE if I called or tweeted them and nicely asked, "hey...do you have a copy of Game Trade Magazine issue #193 in stock?" they would bother to answer, and maybe bother to hold a copy for me.  That's about the best I could hope for.

Called the FLGS, which I figured was the best bet for getting this locally (after all, it's where I got "Mrs. Clause" along with Holiday Fluxx).  "It's on-the-way," but they won't have the Firefly Fluxx in stock for another week-and-a-half...and won't know if they get the promo card until they open the box on the shipment with the actual game inventory.  Game Trade Magazine?  "We don't carry that." 

Accept me as a friend and message me please.

Hi Stevie! We actually did consider putting Goal Mill into Nature Fluxx, since as you rightly observe, it's a great card and I have been putting it into every new version. But although Nature Fluxx is new, it really isn't, and we decided it would be better to maintain the same cardlist as EcoFluxx inside, just as we don't plan to add Goal Mill to other titles than came out before the Goal Mill rule came to be. Sorry for the disappointment...

But hey, if you like Goal Mill so much, have you see the Goal Foundry pack?

http://www.looneylabs.com/news/goal-foundry-pack-here

I sometimes take some pyramid stashes and a chessboard bandana on a trip; that permits a variety of games. (At a recent  weeklong New Year's event, I played Volcano and a bunch of Zendo with various people, for instance.)

(Non-Looney-wise, we always take along our portable Shogi set these days.) :)

7 Dragons is a staple in my game bags.  Quick to learn, engaging concept, and beautiful art.

And I've been playing Just Desserts a lot lately, and loving it more every time.  On a big luxury cruise where Desserts are always aplenty, and you spend a lot of time with an odd assortment of characters, Just Desserts seems like the natural choice.

Personally, I would also bring a bunch of pyramids to play things like Volcano and Pikemen, and the pyramids would look just wonderful in that warm ocean sun.

Sorry, I sound like I'm some sort of sell-sheet, don't I.  But those are good choices and I stand by them.  =)

You are correct. If it could only be played to prevent victory, there would be no "possibly" about it.

It doesn't work that way. When a Surprise cancels a play, the card doesn't happen. It was clarified on the Twist of Fate card because people had questions about it when the card was being tested (and there was room for the text). That doesn't change the way it works for other cards.

I've linked to the Looney Labs FAQ below, as well as one of the items that talks about Surprises.

http://faq.looneylabs.com/

http://faq.looneylabs.com/fluxx-games/cthulhu-fluxx-faq#183

A little late reply maybe but, yes. It's in the Spring Launch Kit.

I got mine today!

Mal's been framed!

i love that ideal.. how much does one of the frames cost? i have a  lot of poster i would love to do that with 

This past Saturday I was planning to go into an store in the At Home chain (formerly Garden Ridge) and look for one in the $20 range, as I've found other frames in other sizes there previously for roughly that price (the Firefly Fluxx poster is 11"x17", by the way).  My son (age 18) and I were shopping at the JC Penny across the freeway first, though, and as we exited we saw that there was a Jo-Ann Fabric & Craft chain store just two stores down, so we popped in there first to see if they had such a frame. They did, but it was $29.95...and I was going to leave, saying it was too expensive and At Home would surely have it cheaper.  Then my son pointed to a sign saying all frames were 50% off at the moment, so I said, "$15 is a lot better!" and picked the one you see above.  :) 

We had earlier that day been in a "super" Walmart for something else, and we checked their frame section: they had many sizes, but not the 11x17 sized frame we needed. But its possible you could find that size at Target, at Michaels, or at a place like Kohl's or Gordman's.  Or you could get them online, like at Amazon.com (I saw a few a good prices there, but I get nervous about ordering frames online because, you know, glass). 

Of course, many cities and towns have shops that sell nothing BUT frames; just look up "framing shops" in your area.  That tends to be pricier, though. :)

The rule on the discard pile is you can go through it but the order should not be disturbed.   Nothing wrong with a house rule though.  

As for death, my group always played that it stands alone in front of a single player not the group.  That might be wrong because what you said makes sense to me also.

My group would play it as the potato passes first and cuts off the victory, so player 1 would win.  It's been a while sense the potato haunted our table though.

Oh yeah, this problem.  Does the GOAL change immediately, or does the POTATO move immediately?  I think the last time this was asked, it was widely agreed (and possibly endorsed by Andy, but I don't recall) that they both happen at the same moment.  The goal changes and the potato moves at the exact same moment.  Goal changes, player 2 gets the potato.

In this scenario, Player 1 wins.  There was no win condition in place which would allow Player 2 to win.

I may be wrong, and I could probably research it, but that seems the most reasonable.

My husband and I play the same as Austin and Scott; the two actions happen simultaneously so Player 1 would win. 

i figured it was simultaneous.

thanks everyone for the replies and clearing that up!

This page may help you a bit

Oh, sorry. But you posted asking for the differences between 2.0 and 3.0 so I thought that page would help.

I'll keep digging.

I'm curious as well, everything I find just says minor changes, which means nothing to me

To my knowledge, the only differences are in the packaging.  v2.0 was published by Iron Crown Enterprises.  v2.1 was published directly by Looney Labs after ICE died in 1999.  Logos on the box were changed accordingly.  I am not aware of any changes to the cards, rules, or gameplay.

Player B is allowed to play the card, yes.  He would then immediately throw a keeper away, and prevent the win.  This is because the Keeper Limit says you must discard down to the limit if it's not your turn.  It does NOT say you can't take any more keepers.  You can take a keeper, and immediately throw it away.  Player B could throw away one of his other keepers, instead, as a matter of fFact.  Player B has 3 to choose fFrom at that point, so as long as he throws away one of them, he is all good.

Perfect! Thank you.

I don't own Batman Fluxx, (yet) but if the Cuffs are like other similar cards (Abduction Chamber, Elder Sign, Treasure Map) then you should be able to uncuff at any time, but only cuff during your turn.

We had the same question and came here to find out. We're going to play it as Garrick suggests and reveal it at any time, but only cuff during your turn. 

As Garrick indicates above, yes, you should play this like other similar cards, such that you can hide your villain on your turn, but reveal the villain at any time.  We will be updating the wording on this card on future print runs.

Now it's my turn, I roll the dice,

drawing 2 is twice as nice!

When I play a second card for free,

they want to take my Fluxx from me.

So, I steal some cards, trade my hand,

the winning goal, my firm demand!

I change the rules without apology,

while they try take my Fluxx from me.

Which way will the victory go?

It all comes down to Roshambo!

My fist of stone defends decisively,

they'll NEVER take my Fluxx from me!

Well done.

I would play it as resolve the complete action and then end your turn.  Brain Transference would end the turn before the second play but after D2&UE. Also, I would give the hand limit selection to the person moving to your spot.

I'm in agreement with Austin. That word "immediately" is hard for me to get past.

I think the "Draw 2 and Use 'Em (all cards count as one play)" is just to clarify that you can play the single card D2&UE with Play 1 in effect (i.e., someone cannot argue that playing the D2&UE card ends your Play 1 and thereby nullifies the impending 'sub-turn' during which you execute the 'sub-rules' of Draw 2 / Play 2).

That said... in your example, I would have played BT first, to keep hand size up, unless I had a one-card win on lock. Meaning, yes, that "ends immediately" effect even prevents the play of the HL1 during the D2&PE sub-turn!

Wish Orb was available at GenCon (in fact, I got two of them - one when I bought the game, and another for being in the Fluxx tournament there)

You DO know that all of these were added to the Fluxx store in the past couple of days, right?

http://store.looneylabs.com/Two-Face-Flip-Batman-Coin?sc=2&cate...

http://store.looneylabs.com/Clayface-Promo-Postcard?sc=2&catego...

http://store.looneylabs.com/Con-Crud-Promo-Postcard?sc=2&catego...

http://store.looneylabs.com/Wish-Orb-Promo-Postcard?sc=2&catego...

http://store.looneylabs.com/Tandem-War-Elephant?sc=2&category=1468

$3 for the Two-Face Flip card with coin, the others are $1 each.

If you are a collector, and care about owning a copy of the promo postcard version of the Ancient Psychic Tandem War Elephant - go order one today!  http://store.looneylabs.com/Tandem-War-Elephant

We only have 65 of this left and when they are gone they will not be made in this format again!

Crime Spree specifies "5 or more Villains on the table" which is what lets you know that you don't have to own them all yourself.  Bank Robbery In Progress makes no such exception, so you should infer that, as with most Goals, you need to have that Villain on the table in front of you, specifically.

We could stand to make this a bit clearer on each, perhaps saying “anywhere on the table” for Crime Spree, and add “in front of you” for Bank Robbery In Progress, but frankly, “in front of you” is pretty much the default for all Goal requirements, unless stated otherwise.

Hope that clears things up!

Thanks for playing our games!

I'm inclined to say it should be one already in-play. 

Hi Don,

Yes, the Keepers offered up for combat have to already be in play.  If there is only one combatant, that entity simply wins by default.  They stick their head in the Arena, see that there's nobody there trying to kill them, breathe a sigh of relief, and get the heck out of there.

I would say no because its not really and action at that time. But that is tricky

No.  Those are not considered "Actions" in the sense that they are not Action cards, and that Surprise is intended to cancel out Action cards specifically.  More broadly worded Surprises might prevent some of these, however.  For example, Skullduggery is designed so that it can prevent Plundering, which is a "free action" on a Rule.

There might be some confusion on Let's Keep Doing That, since there is an Action card permanently in play, but it is intended to act as if it were a New Rule, so I would say that it's no longer stoppable by the  "Stop That!" Anti-Action Surprise.

I am fFamiliar with this train of thought.  The intention is that you must add a second goal before replacing the original one.

We've never played such that it was mandatory to place the next goal card as the second card. The word "must" isn't on the rule card. Just like plenty of the random action cards, it's a can play, or may play.

The old version of what became the fan club web site had a Fluxx FAQ, which had this to say on the subject:

• Q: When the Double Agenda card is played, does the next goal played have to be added as a second goal, or can it be used to replace the one goal, thus leaving only one goal in play rather than two?
  • A: The next Goal played must fill the empty spot, the old Goal stays at least until one other Goal is played.

If Double Agenda is in play, and there is only one Goal, the next Goal played must become the second Goal in play, and may not replace the one existing Goal, still leaving a slot open.  After both slots are filled, new Goals may replace those.

Sorry for the confusion!  Hope that clears things up.  Thanks for playing our games!

My thought: your son is right - Marceline applies only to the person who has the card.

The one thing I'm not sure about: since the card specifically says that you both win, but you can't win because of your Creeper, does she win anyway?

Well, Andy and I debated for quite a while about this, and the official ruling from Looney Labs actually agrees with you on this, not your son.

We could see either of these arguments making sense, but in the end, we came to the same conclusion you did (you both win because Marceline negates Creepers).  Keep in mind, however, that if Marceline was not in play, and only one of you had a Creeper, neither of you would win.  It's all or nothing with the APTWE.

The way we see it is that the two players are essentially merging into one, a la the two-headed elephant of the card title.  So their Keeper set merges, and so do their Creepers.  So, for example, if only one player had a Creeper, and the other one didn't, their sets would be psychically merged, and it would be as if they were one two-headed player... who had a Creeper preventing the win.  So one player's Creeper would prevent both people from winning.

However, the same is true of Marceline's power: when the players Keeper/Creeper sets merge, her power now extends to both people, so she neutralizes Creepers for the joined set which can then win, no matter who originally had Creepers.

1 you draw your cards first then you play

2 if I remember right worm hole says " at anytime during your turn"

 3 and yes you do unless you don't have enough cards to play then play all your cards.

4 I always play it as if you still have one more play then you can " get on with it!" 

 Hope this helps

Stevie Rae has it exactly right.

Draw first then Play

Wormhole can happen before everything, somewhere in the middle, or after everything.  As long as the next person has not started taking their turn, you can still Wormhole if you have not yet done so.

Yes, you must use all your Plays.  You may not pass on any of them, or just discard cards without reason.  You might make someone else win.  That's the joy/agony of Fluxx!

Yes, you must be sacrificing at least one of your available plays to be able to take this otherwise free Action.  There's a cost to get this benefit.

Neato!  How long did the game last?  I'm wondering if it took hours to get the right combination of stuff, or just a surprisingly short time.  It would be pretty fFunny if, after assembling all those cards, shuffling fFor a god 30 minutes, and someone was dealt something like Play All, All You Need Is Love, and Love.  =)

Recommended House Rule: Allow one Goal per set to be in play (or two, with the matching Double Agenda).

Zowie!  Good fFind!

He did that combo four times for the win

I ran into a similar problem when designing my own version of FLUXX last year.

Easy fix: Batarang should read: "cannot be used on Batmobile."

Just added this to our FAQ to go live on the web soon.

As currently printed (first printing), the Batmobile lets you take another turn if you discard it from play. The Batarang lets you pull it back into your hand to move a card from the discard to the top of the draw pile. If you use the Batarang to move the discarded Batmobile to the top of the draw pile, then you draw it again on your repeated turn. With a Play of 2 or more, you can infinitely loop this process (since you need two plays to play the Batmobile and Batarang to the table again) and with Play 3 or more, you can actually play other cards as well, infinitely extending your turn. What's the fix for this?

A: The Batmobile should have had wording limiting the number of turns you can take in a row using it, just like the more generic Take Another Turn. We will be updating it on subsequent print runs. For now, if you have a first printing deck, please play it as though there were a limit of two turns you can take in a row using the Batmobile.

That seems like a good compromise.

Any plans to fix or remove this link: http://rabbits.continuation.org/wiki/Fluxx_FAQ , which is found here: http://wunderland.com/LooneyLabs/Fluxx/FAQ.html ?

Has the above mentioned "FAQ to go live...soon" been published?

I doubt that LL would want to give out any high dollar items like decks!

Probably promo cards of some sort, perhaps the Batman and/or Adventure Time promo cards.

I certainly hope it's not a concert-exclusive item.

Okay, CAH has posted a look at the "swag bag" from this event, and it looks like the Fluxx item included is the new Fluxx Dice, and a creeper card that may or may not be unique (I can't make out the words, even with a blown up image of the bag).

Looks like it might say "Con Crud." I am not going to the concert, so hopefully I can buy one from an attendee. Maybe someone in my group is going to that concert...

Maybe one day it will be in the LL store?

A year ago or so, I had this conversation with Allison and Kirstin since I live in France and do not attend any US Con since 2000.

I told the LL staff that not having the opportunity to attend a Con shouldn't be "punished" by not being able to get the promo stuff, since collectors like myself don't like to miss promotional items just because they don't live in the country.

I was then answered that because everybody can't attend every game Con, every Con promo stuff should end up in the store.

It has proven right so far, and to my knowledge, every Con promo item has always been available in the store a few weeks after.

The noticeable exceptions so far are the store or event exclusive items like the BGG expansion (only available thru the BGG store), Wil Weaton Tabletop expansion pack and Foam Brain promo card, but I really hope the Tabletop 2015 pack and Foam Brain will eventually be available in the LL store.

As for this Con Crud Creeper promo card, I hope this one will be available in the store as well. 

For those interested, this is a picture posted to Reddit this morning of the "Con Crud" promo card that was in the swag bag at the Concert For Humanity last night. More pictures of other stuff in the swag bag can be found here, at the original poster's Facebook page (which THE ORIGINAL POSTER linked to on Reddit, so re-linking to here should be okay!), and that includes the Fluxx Dice pack which was in the bag, that will be publicly available to buy in a bit over a month (warning: some mature/NSFW language at that link, so be careful who's watching your screen besides you).  The Con Crud card sounds like a good one to put in the original main Fluxx deck, so I hope it's at the online Looney store sooner or later!  :)

Thank you David for the info.

Since there's a price tag on the postcard, I am to believe this one could end up in the store as well. My bet, it could be made available along with the 4 new Batman and AT promo cards (I hope)

Let me look into it...  I'll be in touch with you through regular email...

-Alison

(LLabs customer service)

Some of them you can order online from Looney labs. Have you looked theree.??

Hi,

Yes indeed I have. Unfortunately, most of those promos are from Origins 2000 and the last US Con I've attended was GenCon '99, and as for thos promos, none of them are for sale on the website. but X=X+1, which I'll order with my GameTech bundle of the three new Fluxx.

By the way, I'm truely happy that enventually Fluxx has finally been released in French and I just hope new cards and expansions will be as well.

As for the Tabletop Day pack, not for sale on the website and seller over the Internet are selling them for absurd price (in fact they charge absurd shipping costs to France for an enveloppe, and so, they wouldn't pay Ebay fees on S&H)

So, as for the promo cards and the tabletop, I'm still looking for the cards.

The last one is the Foam Brain promo card, as the store refuses to sell me the cards and I've absolutely no Fluxx items to purchase from them, since I already have them all...twice

Thank you for your answer,

Cheers from France,

Jean-Marie

By any chance, do you have a spare Marlene Bruce promo card for the first version of Stoner Fluxx?

I know for sure I still do own 3 sealed decks of Stoner Fluxx first ed since I bought the entire Fluxx stock from a local retailer at Essen in Germany some years ago as the guy made a last day sale on the closing sunday of the convention (selling any games for 10€ per kilogram).

As for the promo cards, I have to check. I know I have one Marlene that she sent me back in the days, but I'm not entirely sure I have any spares. I'm trying to have at least 3 copies of every promo card (one to play with, a replacement and one for collection) and at least two of each deck (one to play and demo with, one sealed spare just in case)

So I'll check my rabbit boxes (yes I do onwn these as well, demoing the game since 1997) by tomorrow.

Do you have by any chance any one of the cards I'm looking for in your spares please ?

Cheers from France,

JM

I'm pretty sure I have a Robot, and I'd gladly grab a Tabletop Day pack for you. I hate sellers who WAY overcharge for postage to outside the US.

I found the Robot promo card today; I'll save it for you.

Hi Dave,

Sorry for not answering sooner but I was away for holidays for a few days.

I've checked my Fluxx collection, and unfortunately, I own ony one copy of the Marlene promo card. I have no spare.

If you give me your email address, I'll send you the list of all my Fluxx spares. So let me know if there's anything else you might miss.

Well, in terms of how to run the event, when my friend and I run Looney Labs at the sister con of Con on the Cob, AnCon, the last two years we've just called it open gaming. We essentially sit at the table(s) with a bevy of Looney Labs games (and pyramids) and whomever has signed up, or comes with a generic token sits down and we play whatever people want to play for several hours. I'm sure this type of system could easily be adapted to what you want to do, just by controlling what games you have available. It also gives you the freedom to either run several games at a time, or get people into a variety of Looney games, just depending on how fast some of the games go.

Huh.  so, going by just what is on the cards, you could win a PIRATE goal, even if you have ZOMBIES?  I think the rules tend to state creepers prevent you fFrom winning, in general, and that is *clearly* the intention.  But just going by the printed text on the cards ....

Interesting.

Yup!  That's how my son won that game!  He had the winning keepers, both Pirate cards, but also a couple of zombies and he pointed it out.   Just checked the rules, doesn't say you can't win with Creepers.  It's all contingent on the goal cards.  Another reason this game is the best!

I just got the 2015 Summer Release Launch Kit. It comes Fluxx Dice, which has a Creeper called "Bad Luck," which doesn't state on the card that it prevents victory. The notes included with the rules confirms that this specific creeper is not supposed to prevent victory. Also part of this kit is Batman Fluxx; its Creepers have text that prevents all players from winning unless specified by the goal, and not just the player that has the Creeper like in other editions. Interesting...

Poison: Here's the answer from the old Fluxx FAQs:

A: Sorry, Poison makes ALL of your Keepers poisonous, so you cannot win if you have Poison and the Keeper you want to eat is one of your own.

Camouflage: It's only one per player, so you'd have to reveal to avoid having more than one.

Huzzah!  An answer!  I had been wondering the same thing, actually.  Thank you, sir!

Thanks....I figured as much about poison. Same for Camoflage.

If anyone's interested, I've just added a Just Desserts sheet. Noted an error in the "official" card list on the site; I have Zucchini Nut Bread where the site lists Pumpkin Nut Bread.

Just added Stoner Fluxx 2.1, which has some differences from the 2.0 list at Wunderland. Organizers available for:

Chrononauts v1.5
Early American Chrononauts v1.1
Cartoon Network Fluxx
Cthulhu Fluxx
EcoFluxx v2.0
Family Fluxx v1.1
Fluxx Español
Fluxx SE
Fluxx v1.0
Fluxx v3.0
Fluxx v4.0
Fluxx v5.0
Holiday Fluxx
Martian Fluxx
Monster Fluxx
Monty Python Fluxx
Oz Fluxx
Pirate Fluxx
Regular Show Fluxx
Star Fluxx
Stoner Fluxx v2.1
Zombie Fluxx v1.2
Just Desserts

Good job indeed !

Thank you for doing this.

Please disregard....I didn't read the directions completely...sorry

I play under the name "Jiddy 66"

Hello - I sent you a message with a link to a few Family Fluxx 1.0's I've seen for sale between $20-$30.  Hope it's works and is what you're looking for!

Could you post the link again I could click it inside the friend request

I sent you a new message with that link - which is for a Family Fluxx 1.0 for sale for $20.00 + shipping.  I didn't want to post publicly to ensure you get first crack at it if you want it, but if you have further trouble let me know and I will.

If the creeper is attached to the keeper, then as goes the Keeper, So goes the Creeper.  The Creeper goes where the Keeper goes.  If that doctor is evil, then the evil doctor goes to the owner of the teleporter.  Cards go into hand, and then Creepers immediately come back on to the table.

At least, that is my reading.  I can understand what you mean, however.  Another person would suggest that if the card refers to Keepers only, then only keepers move.  Creepers are unaffected.  But I think this is one of those cases where the two cards are bolted together and act simultaneously.

yes, what Scott says here is correct - this is how Andy intends for this to work! 

Thank you both for the answer.  That was what I thought also and how it was played out.  Just wanted to double check.  Loving the games.

Actually, there is:

http://www.looneylabs.com/do-we-accept-game-submissions

http://www.looneylabs.com/sites/default/files/literature/LLabsSubmissionAgreement.pdf

Yes, you are correct.  Only the person who played the card gets to take the action.

The fFootnote simply states that anyone, at any time, may always look through the discard pile.  You generally cannot take cards fFrom the discard pile unless you have done something that specifically lets you do so.  But you may always *look* at what's in there.

Thanks for your quick reply. I've read most of the Fluxx posts and, I think, a good handle on things.....

I think it's only fair that the Veto has to be played when the New Rule gets played.  Waiting until you have taken your turn to maybe see if I like it and then expect you to undo your turn ... No, that doesn't seem fFair at all.

If we are playing a fFriendly game -- and I suppose most games probably will be fFriendly -- then it's probably polite to accept some amount of redaction among fFriends.  But that's an exception, to be sure.

I also think that the player of the Play all can't just play Play All, then drop 2 keepers on the table and a new goal and say I win.  There has to be a time allowed for other people to react to the Play All before it takes effect.

I may have a copy at my shop: I'll check tomorrow.

I have one! Sending a friend request so we can discuss it in message form.

Yes!  You may always look through the discard pile.  This is always true of all fluxx games, at all times.  You may always look through the discard pile.  In theory, you saw every card go whizzing by into the trash, so it is sort of assumed you saw all of them.

The BoardGameGeek entry for Fluxx Promo Cards is fairly complete:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgameexpansion/44489/fluxx-promo-cards

Thanks Ryan :)

The only one I'm not sure about on BGG is that Hastur is listed as both a Keeper and a Creeper. Does anyone know if this was actually the case? I was aware of the Creeper, but not the Keeper.

Kristin says it was only a Creeper, never a Keeper.  :)

Thanks for this - have submitted this for revision on BoardGameGeek :) 

Sorry...  I still don't have any kind of firm answer on this - but for whatever it is worth, we are talking about ways we might make this information available to you guys...  Thank you Ryan for jumping in with the link to the BGG list! 

No, it is not true of all Creepers, only the ones that say so.

Wow, am I ever late on this one.  But I agree.  The fruitcake counts for both, and activates the gift bonus, and gets cleared. (Otherwise there is no way to remove it in the Holiday Fluxx set.

The one thing I'm unsure of is whether or not you can win with fruitcake in front of you if it fulfills the goal.

Wow, I'm really late to this too, but one thing I remember reading is that the person who has the particular card chooses what that card counts as at any given point in time. The keepers that count as something don't count as both things simultaneously - They're one of the "Counts As" things. This is because there are keepers that could win the game by themselves if they were both at the same time (The Robot GenCon 2003 promo, for example, as seen here: http://www.wunderland.com/LooneyLabs/PromoCards/outofprint.html ).

So, I think that if there's something like Clear the Table out, whoever has Fruitcake decides what happens with it. It could be cleared if the player wants to get rid of it by opting for it to count as Dessert, or keep it to spread the holiday "joy" to others by saying it counts as The Gift.

As for winning with it... It probably depends on the cards in play. Fruitcake itself says you can't win if you have it, so unless there's a goal that lets someone with either Dessert or The Gift win while they have a Creeper, or some combination of goals that allows that, you won't win with Fruitcake. A goal like Thanksgiving doesn't say anything about Creepers, so I think Fruitcake itself would prevent the win despite it counting as Dessert.

That's just my two cents, and I might be wrong, but that's how I'd play it. Hope this helps whoever comes across this in the future!

TL;DR: Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's up to the player and is one or the other. This comes from the "or" wording in "Counts as Dessert OR The Gift" (emphasis added).

Thanks for the pointer!

Oh that's a clever rule!  I like it!  I'll be trying this out soon, fFer sure!

I think some games might not improve with this, if the game is running long already.  I might house rule it somehow to suggest that this rule goes away after 20 minutes without a winner.  Because it serve only to drag the game out, sometimes.  But, I will definitely try it out exactly as is and see how it goes!!

We've typically found that if there's a defeated challenge, the game still ends a few rounds later. However we like Fluxx enough that we don't need all the games to be short. Let me know how you get on with the 20 min limit.

Enjoy! Report back here how you get on.

This Shaun of the Dead scene is the exact argument I discussed with my colleagues while arguing that I won. 

I was Pat's opponent for this game. I admit that it's hilarious, and that scene is exactly what Pat's argument was. :P

However to me the wording of the cards makes it pretty clear: The goal specifically requires a "Friend Keeper", and the Dead Friends card says Friends are now creepers, "and NOT Keepers". So regardless of how bad zombies are, he no longer satisfies the friend KEEPER requirement of the goal.. That's my thoughts anyway.

Ahh, interesting argument.  I think I see your point:  The goal requires two specific Keepers, not a keeper and a creeper.  Well, I'm pretty sure the goal simply requires two cards by name, regardless of their Keeper/Creeper status.  Good point, but I don't think the current status of the card is a problem, with the other rules in play.

It went within three minutes.  I missed it.

Card abilities do not cost you a play, unless they say on them.

Usually, as a guiding principle, a "Play" is specifically when you pull a card out of your hand and do something with it.  Once a card is on the table, it no longer requires a "Play."

Thank you for your quick reply...enjoying this game sooooooooo much.

MJ

The basic rules are Draw 1, Play 1.  On your turn, you draw a card and then play a card.

When you play a Keeper, it goes on the table in front of you.

When you play an Action, it does what it says and then gets discarded.

When you play a New Rule or a Goal, it goes in the middle of the table and applies to everyone.

All Keepers used to say "To play this card, place it face up on the table in front of you" until 2013.  Looney Labs decided to move all boilerplate text to the rulesheet instead.

For purposes of Let's Do That Again, surprises don't count as Actions.

what Ryan said...   the Surprise cards are a 6th type of card, along with Keeper, Goal, New Rule, Action, and Creeper

Your assessment is correct, I'm sure.  I'm a little surprised the player tried to use this seeming loophole.  It's kind of core fFluxx concept: You must have all the keepers in fFront of you, to meet the goal and win.  As fFar as I can tell, his logic is that he didn't need *any* of the keepers involved, he only needed to play the Goal itself.  Simply having a Goal in your hand tends not to be enough.

we just ran into this very same question this weekend.  I made the same ruling that it had to be keepers in front of you. 

Hi David,

Unfortunately, this is a just mistake, plain and simple. The intent was as usual -- YOU must have the indicated Keepers on the table in order to win. So this card really should say "on the table in front of you" or better still, just read as "3 or more of these:" Frankly, we're still getting used to the new card frame format -- we're trying to minimize unneeded words but in this case we weren't clear. We'll have to fix that on the next printing.

Hi David,

What store was this?  Happy you were able to get the promo!

Thanks!

Amber

http://www.midsouthhobbies.com/

Thanks!

Mine arrived today, in the UK.

Merry Christmas everyone :)

Mine arrived today.  Very nice.  Thank you very much.  Merry Christmas to all.

A regular envelope like a Christmas card.

Received my gift...thank you very much.  Now who wants my fruitcake? :)

Darn, I am still waiting for mine to arrive.

Mine still has not arrived. Can anyone at LL please check on this for me?

That question was answered here:

https://www.facebook.com/LooneyLabs/posts/10152375364146857?comment_id=10152375693996857&offset=0&total_comments=3&notif_t=feed_comment

That gives me an idea for a Fluxx Blanxx + Earth Promo Card goal: Harsher Punishment for Parole Violators (Peace + Earth) :D

1. I don't know about the first part of your question.  I usually draw all my draws at once, so I would say that you get all your draws and then the Computer malfunctions.  It's the Creeper itself that has you draw to replace, so yes, you always draw to replace when you draw a Creeper.

2. Draw all your cards.  Then you can Wormhole before, after, or in between your Plays.

3. They must take Expendable Crewman instead.

4. The Keeper Limit applies any time it's not your turn.  Player A and Player B switch seats.  Player A's turn ends immediately, so it's now Player B's turn in the new seat.  I would say Player B keeps the Keepers until his turn ends.  In a three-player game, it would be Player C's turn, so Player B would have to discard when Player A's turn ended.

5. When Player A's turn ends, it's Player B's turn.  So I would say that Player A transfers the CFAC and then doesn't have to discard because he's at 1 Keeper.  Meanwhile, Player B doesn't have to discard because it's his turn.

Thanks for the quick reply!

Regarding your response to question 2, I see Alison's response to a previous question now:

Special Keeper abilities and Rules that allow you to take "extra" or "bonus" actions ... you don't have to take these things at a certain point in your turn; you could do them before you draw cards, or even after you play all your cards.

Which seems to both answer my question and contradict Jeff's answer.

Regarding 4 and 5, that's how I see it too... especially considering that in question 5, if you did have to discard your Fuzzy Alien at the end of the turn, he'd go back to the top of the deck, and you could possibly get into a never-ending loop if neither player had any cards in hand.

So still kind of hanging on most of the questions, I'd love to hear any input!

you just made my head hurt Jeff...    ( I'll ask Andy - but I'm curious what others think too! )

I would think that the answer to both questions would be yes, as the Surprise cards enabling both Player B's initial action (then Player A's reaction to it) are allowed to be used "out of turn" in either case. The rules seem to stipulate such: "This type of card (Surprise) can be played at any time..." and "Surprises can also be used to cancel other surprises."

After discussion with Andy, his answer is an unqualified YES.  Player A can use the Surprise he has drawn for the Draw 2 and Use Em action to counter Player B's That's Mine.

Furthermore it would also be acceptable for Player A to use a Surprise out of their set-aside hand to counter a Surprise played by another player in the middle of Draw 2 and Use Em.

Thanks Alison and Kristin and Andy for the definitive response.

2.1 is hard to find.  Every 12 months or so you'll see one on ebay, but pretty rare for sure.  2.0 I've not seen for sale.  That being said, I've got an 'extra' 2.1 - the box is in Good condition at best, but the cards are all definitely in Excellent condition & hardly/never used, the instructions are there and in great shape, as is the rare, totally blank on front, Fluxx-backed bonus card..  However, it's in my pile of 'obscure Looney Labs stuff that I would probably only really want to trade for other obscure Looney Labs stuff.'  If you have any of that (or cool vintage art stuff), I'd entertain a trade!  But to swap for paper or virtual  money, I'm sorry to say just isn't worth it!  I actually have an 'extra' Stoner Fluxx 1.0 in the same pile, but I digress...Good luck on your search, if I can help further, message me!

Thank you for the response.

Yes, I've only been searching for them for a relatively short period, and I know they aren't easy to find.  A few days ago I found someone selling an unopened box on eBay. The ad was otherwise non-descriptive as to which version, although the photo was definitely a box of 2.0.  I messaged the seller to inquire as to which version he/she was selling, but he/she never responded, and it was sold in a matter of a couple of hours.  :(

Regarding obscure Looney Labs stuff, I'm afraid I probably don't have anything -- at least nothing in duplicate.

Thanks again. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled in the event I run across anything.

Last week I found something Fluxx-related at Amazon. It was listed as a book, but the photo was of a Fluxx 2.0 box, and the dimensions of the item matched the old Fluxx (pre Fluxx 4.0) boxes.  As I subsequently did a search for a book about Fluxx and found nothing, and the price of the item was reasonable, I decided to order it and hope it was a box of Fluxx 2.0.

Well, it just arrived and it is indeed an unopened box of Fluxx 2.0 -- and Amazon lists more in stock.

I am very pleased.

Ha!  Great work!!  Way to track it down & get rewarded for your efforts!  I couldn't find what you were talking about, but do see a 2.1 listed in Amazons (after)Market.  When it rains it pours, I guess!  And now you've got a chance to add an extra copy to your 'obscure Looney Labs stuff' pile!

This is the link.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558063668/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It did not come up under Fluxx 2.0, and it was/is listed as a paperback.  I took a gamble because the photo and the dimensions matched the 2.0 box.

When I ordered it, it showed an option to "buy another?", however, now it is presently showing "out of print". I don't know if I misread it previously, or if others have subsequently found it and purchased any remaining stock.

Right on!  Again, nice work scoring what you were after!

If anyone else is looking - here is the link I found where there appears to be (one) 2.1 available @ 29.99 + shipping:

http://www.amazon.com/Fluxx-Version-Card-Ever-changing-Rules/dp/B004OKU91C/ref=sr_1_162?ie=UTF8&qid=1413406113&sr=8-162&keywords=fluxx

Just fell upon this thread amidst my search

The links above there are all sold out, eBay has nothing at the moment, was hoping one of you fine citizens would be able to point me in the right direction if you see any!

I have an extra Larry The Zombie still on the postcard if this is still an option

Yay!  Thank you, Jim!   We are very appreciative for your love of the game - thank you for teaching your friends and family! 

I find Fluxx exciting and enjoyable even when I lose (which I do frequently).  There aren't many (if any) games about which I can say that.  :)

Looney Pyramids. Hands down the best part of Looney Labs. Check out the rules section on this website, and then it should also have a link to the online wiki with rules for literally hundreds of games played with some of the most amazing pieces in existence. 

Thanks!  I will give it a shot!

I've always preferred "Fluxxen."  :)

As for recommendations, I'd suggest Aquarius.  It has a similar feel to Dominoes, but with some Looney-esque action cards and artwork.

Regarding the Creepers I believe that the decision was to exclude them for the sake of simplicity.  As a player of many a Fluxxen, I've found that the Creeper-less versions are easier to teach newcomers and overall more favorably received by them.

Joshua and Fogus both have provided excellent answers and suggestions - Thank you guys!

Regarding the pyramids...  look here:  http://looneypyramids.com  - I suggest you start with IceDice! 

Regarding Aquarius...  you actually have two choices - if you (or your friends/family) prefer dragons, check out Seven Dragons - it is the same game as Aquarius, but with different artwork. This is one of my all time favorite games of Andy's - it works equally with little kids as with adults and serious gamers. 

Regarding other suggestions... if you like history or time travel, check our time travel card games: Chrononauts & EAC

Regarding Creepers in CN Fluxx...  yes, like Fogus speculates, we made this version for the mass market (it is a Target exclusive until next spring) to introduce Fluxx to newcomers, so we created it to be more simple and accessible to people who don't call themselves gamers.  If you want to teach Fluxx to people who don't often play games, CN is a great option!  Another great choice is the brand new version - Holiday Fluxx!  This one also does not have Creepers, although it does include a few Surprises, a new card type not found in CN Fluxx.

Thanks for playing our games!

Aquarius huh?  I might try that because I am an Aquarius!! 

Fluxxen you say?  Hrmmm...It's kinda growing on me.  I'll run it by the group and see about it.  I like to think that Fluxx is a pretty flexible game in terms of how your playing buddies want to interpret it.  Of course you have your main rules but for the most part these guys know how to close up loop holes!

Thanks Fogus!

Thanks Kristin!  I really enjoy playing your guys' games!  Thanks for all the info and help with the questions!  I look forward to all of your creativity over there at Looney Labs!

1) yes, even with brain parasites, the cute fuzzy guy follows around the table...

2) unless the card says you have to wait, you can use Keeper actions right after you play them

3) one way... you could teleport the cute fuzzy alien creature suffering from brain parasites (or any other Keeper with a Creeper attached) away from you, so you no longer have a Creeper in front of you that was preventing you from winning the game! 

Does _any_ creeper prevent winning? I thought it was only a creeper attached to a keeper required by the goal?

If there were a "Keeper Limit" in play, and you had to get rid of some keepers, you could teleport them to someone else just to keep them on the table.  Especially if you have a "Steal a Keeper" action in your hand so you could get that back again later.

Along the lines of #1, can you still use a Keeper's special abilities if it has a Creeper on it?  e.g. Can you still use the "Evil" Unseen Force to steal a card ? Or the Space Captain with Brain Parasites to steal a Keeper?  Or a malfunctioning computer to draw/play an extra card?

I had thought that the Creeper's basically "shut down" the card entirely.. is that wrong?

You really have to look at the individual Creeper.  In Star Fluxx, all the Creepers prevent you from winning, but that's not true of all Creepers in all Fluxxes.  All the Creepers in Star Fluxx (can) attach to Keepers; again, that's not true of all Creepers everywhere.  Many (most?) Creepers don't attach to anything at all..  The Malfunction Creeper prevents the special powers from working on the Keeper it's attached to, but that's not true of the Brain Parasites and Evil Creepers.  If a Goal requires you to have a particular Creeper, the Creeper doesn't have to be attached to anything in particular, or indeed, anything at all.  If you have the Creeper in front of you, you can use it to win with a Goal that requires it.

It will partially work.  Both new Keepers, Future Mordecai and Future Rigby, will integrate well.  Two of the new Goals, I'm You From The Future and Mordecai & The Rigbys will enure that the Future guys get used.  Future dudes also help you earn the Knowledge From The Future new rule.  Stolen Time Machine can still be used for a free turn.  However, CN Fluxx does not have The Power, so Music Of The Future will be unfulfillable. 

Six out of seven cards are still useful.  I say go for it!

Thank you, Ryan.

This weekend, while in the twin cities, I stopped by Games By James and picked up Regular Show Fluxx.  So far the kids like it!

Thank you, Ryan, for  the prompt and helpful answer to Bryan's question!  

It is a typo. Looney Labs confirmed it on their facebook page.

Looks very fake to me.

On the Wil Wheaton card, it's spelled "Star trek," with a lower-case "t" on "trek."

yeah, not so much a "leak" as someone's clever usage of Blanxx.  But hey, that's cool, I always enjoy cool new card ideas!  Good job Yusof  =)

They were fake they were created by me

updating this page is on Andy's to-do list...   and I've made a note to post a link here when the page has been updated! 

Thanks Kristin. I found out that the font used for Oz Fluxx is Harrington, which I already had installed. Now I just need to know the name of the font used for Cthulhu Fluxx.

It's called Ghoulish Fright AOE

Thanks Andy. And I also want to thank you, Kristin and Alison for just being awesome.

If you don't want to spend that much shipping from the US, look at amazon.co.uk. It's available for £0.75.

There ist a Promocard available separately: The Andoid Doctor.

http://store.looneylabs.com/The-Android-Doctor?sc=2&category=1579

[Edit] Okay, you've already found it. ;)

re: watching episodes on YouTube

You ought to be careful who you suggest this to.  I work for a website that's owned by a sister company of a major Hollywood studio.  Cartoon Network is someone my website deals with.  Per my contractual obligations, on Monday, I'll be letting the proper people know that I've become aware of a YouTube user who is posting CN's copyrighted material...possibly (probably?) without proper authorization from CN. 

I'm very aware of the show, and that if I don't want to watch it on CN itself, or on the CN app I have on my iPhone, then I can purchase it on DVD and Blu-ray Disc and watch it.  The problem is time; I don't have time enough in the world to check out every single TV show that is worth checking out.

re: How about to keep your collection complete and up to date, while also maybe finding a new card that would do well added to that custom deck of yours!  Of course there is always the chance that on any given Sunday, of all the Fluxx decks out there, your gaming group will want to play that one.

I don't have a custom Fluxx deck, or combine decks, and I don't collect the promo cards or do blank cards.  I do enough of that already for Cards Against Humanity, and there's just not enough time in the world to do that with Fluxx and all the other card/board games I'm into, too.  So this rationalization may work on others, but it isn't valid for me. 

re: Then there's new artwork to check out, possibly new mechanisms to find, and if you are a game technician...and act quickly, you can get the cool challenge coin and a few other promotion items to boot!

I'm not a game technician, or into the game for the artwork.  I buy Fluxx to play it, just to have fun. As for promo items, see what I said above...I'm not into Fluxx for that.  Wasn't even aware of it, and doesn't matter to me.

re: Or you can snag a copy to continue supporting an awesome brand and furthering their research and design for new products down the road!...Not too bad for something that's the cost of a burger and a beer, but lasts much, much longer!  

These were your best arguments.  But money's tight, and $20 can buy me, my wife and my kid enough food for two meals each, if I stretch it right.  More than 2 meals each, if I really play my - ahem - cards right.  On the other hand, I AM a complete-ist...and if I buy this deck, that will be the reason why I do.  Maybe it will be on sale during the holidays.  <shrug>

Anyway, I didn't post my thread to be talked into why to buy the Regular Show deck.  I posted it to ask if there was anything else more on tap besides these three items.

Fair enough, and all your points are valid responses - I sidestepped the root question and instead started listing all the reasons that I plan on purchasing new versions.  I certainly can't speak for what else is in the works.  I've removed the original reply - thank you for the reminder.

Yes, but as someone who is involved in the marketing industry, I can assure you that one of the most obvious dangers of cross-marketing is that you might drive off patronage by pairing with a brand that the customer is simply not interested in.

Again, I'm not discussing this for someone to try to talk me into buying the Regular Show Fluxx deck.  I either will but it, or won't buy it. And whether or not I do isn't up to anybody else, nor should it be of any interest to you.

I'm simply hoping for a response from the Looney Labs people as to whether or not there are more products to be expected in 2014, or not.  A simple "yes" or "no" or "maybe, if we get them done in time" would suffice.  A comment on whether or not the Wild West Fluxx mentioned on WikiPedia for a long time is still a possibility or not would also be really cool, or if that project is dead.

The Fluxx Wikipedia article was edited in April 2012 to add the version of Fluxx you mentioned.  The edit was made by an anonymous user who made no other edits for several years before or since, at least not at the same location.  I am not aware of such a product ever being announced by Looney Labs (it's certainly not on their product announcement page).  All of which leads me to believe that the edit was vandalism.  I took the liberty of removing it.

I went to Marcon earlier this year, a convention at which Looney Labs was Guest of Honor.  They showed off a bunch of prototypes, many of which I played and enjoyed.  So, yes, there are other things in the works.  Obviously, I can't speak to what might be next.

I have no interest in Regular Show Fluxx, either, but I hope they're able to create more Fluxx fans with it.  I own a lot of different Fluxxes, but I don't need to be a completist if that means limiting the themes to things that interest me personally.  That's my view, anyway.

>The Fluxx Wikipedia article was edited in April 2012 to add the version of Fluxx you mentioned.  The edit was made by an anonymous user who made no other edits for several years before or since, at least not at the same location.  I am not aware of such a product ever being announced by Looney Labs (it's certainly not on their product announcement page).  All of which leads me to believe that the edit was vandalism.  I took the liberty of removing it.

Sound logic.  Working at a website that conveys TV-DVD announcements, I've seen that sort of thing at WikiPedia before.  Sometimes (rarely) it's put there by one of the "powers that be" at the outfit behind such releases, trying to quietly and anonymously get word out that something is in-the-works.  MORE often (i.e., almost all the time) it's instead someone playing a gag (I don't get that sort of humor, but they think it's funny) or else it's someone passionate about the product, engaging in wishful thinking.  Since - unlike you - I had never simply investigated whether there was anything official put out there from Looney Labs saying that a Wild West deck was in-the-works, I just (mistakenly!) took the Wiki info at face value.  At this moment I'm kicking myself for doing so, especially for so long.  Ah, well.  I like old west movies from time to time, so I thought this was such a perfect idea for a deck that I was just waiting for it.  Maybe some day.


>I went to Marcon earlier this year, a convention at which Looney Labs was Guest of Honor.  They showed off a bunch of prototypes, many of which I played and enjoyed.  So, yes, there are other things in the works.  Obviously, I can't speak to what might be next.

Cool, cool.  You think anything else will be coming before the year is out, other than the three mentioned above?  Just a "yeah" or "nah" or "maybe" will do.

>I have no interest in Regular Show Fluxx, either, but I hope they're able to create more Fluxx fans with it.  I own a lot of different Fluxxes, but I don't need to be a completist if that means limiting the themes to things that interest me personally.  That's my view, anyway.

A good view, and a good way of describing the way I look at it.  I'm sure PLENTY of people will love the Regular Show Fluxx deck.  Does it matter if I'm not one of them?  :)

You could always work on a Wild West Fluxx, and share it with us.

But what goal could there be that would require John Wayne and Rowdy Yates? Hmm...

Any chance of a Princess Bride version of Fluxx in the future ?  Just played Monty Python Fluxx with a bunch of friends on the weekend, and it was great fun!  I think the Princess Bride has enough memorable characters and quoteable lines that it has great potential for a version of its own.  (I've even got a rough draft of what I would include for Keepers, Creepers and customized Actions/Rules ... ).  Can we put this on someone's wish list ?

I have been kicking one a round for a while. Want to compare notes? Sending you a friend request, so we can talk via messages.

I'd love to get my hands on Cartoon Network Fluxx somehow... already have Regular Show Fluxx myself.  Just waiting for the Target website to update their stock.

Greg and Dave,

Big fan of said show and also kicking that idea around.  Love to compare notes also.

Just as an update, it doesn't seem that Target's website will ship outside of the US, so international fans may not be able to get a copy of the Target exclusive Cartoon Network Fluxx.

Is the item even on Target's website?  If I look up "Fluxx," it just comes up with Star Fluxx (which I've never seen at a store), and never the regular Fluxx or Monster Fluxx that I know Target carries. 

If you can find it at their site, please post a direct link!

No sign of Cartoon Network Fluxx yet.  International fans will have to rely on the kindness and generosity of fans from the States to get their hands on it.

Hi all,

New to this forum.  I own Fluxx 4.0 and Monster Fluxx and have played Eco and Family.  My children really enjoyed Monster Fluxx.  I might be in the minority here, but I really like the theme to Monster Fluxx. 

The closest Targets to me are an hour to the North, Northeast, and East.  I'm kind of in the middle of nowhere.  It can be a real challenge to grab a copy of the Target-promo versions.  Do you think Target will eventually list them on Target.com?  Right now, Target only lists Star Fluxx on their website.  I know my son will be very interested in the Regular Show version.  I don't know if you have any pull with how Target markets your products, but if they could represent your offerings on the website, you might get more traffic.

I have seen Regular Show Fluxx in the wild!  It was in stock at my fFriendly Local Game Store.  If you have a Game store near you, you should totally go see if they will carry it.

If not, well, let me know and I'll see about hooking you up through some kind of fFair trade.  =)

I found copies of Cartoon Network Fluxx at Target today.  Story and image are here:

http://looneylabs.ning.com/forum/topics/cartoon-network-fluxx?commentId=6320919%3AComment%3A98281

Okay, since nobody answered I bought versions 1 and 3. Only version 2 was nowhere to find (at least for a reasonable price). Could someone please post the text from the only card that's unique to version two: Money Bonus?

Trivia question: what ever happened to Government Cover-Up and Secret Data?

Answer:  We took these cards out because I didn't like them...   when you are explaining the game to people looking over the shoulders of people playing the game it totally sucks to have some (or sometimes all) of the keepers turned upside down in front of the players.  And I spent a LOT of time describing the game at conventions, pointing at the cards in play to new people teaching them what was going on in the game... at first I just started removing them from the decks we used for demos, but eventually (version 3) Andy just removed them from the game for me altogether.  Thanks again for that change, Andy! 

Interesting!  =)

It indeed is. Thank you Kristin. ;)

Wow that looks awesome! Hopefully will help around Christmas to introduce people to the awesome games of Looney Labs!

Wow that looks awesome cheers for the great article have you got any news on  Regular Show™ Fluxx

Sorry, no,  Michael didn't create any extra Fluxx illustrations that you've never seen...

Adding a Goal for Double Agenda counts as changing the Goal, so Radioactive Potato moves.

Using the special power on a Keeper does not count as a play.

Applying the standard warning of This Is How My Group & I Play... we have been through your first scenario, and derived the following logic: before double agenda, 'you need Goal X to win'.  After double agenda, and then playing a second goal, 'you need Goal X or Goal Y to win' therefore, the goal to win the game, by definition, does change by expanding from one to two possibilities, so the creeper rotates.  We also reasoned that it's similar to when the potato is in play without any goals or double agenda - for us it moves when the first goal gets played as that constitutes the goal changing from away from 'no goal'.   

The abilities of special keepers and rules that prompt you to take more actions do not count as plays.  They are bonuses you get in addition to your regular amount of plays, and unless specifically stated on the card otherwise, they can be taken at any point during your turn.  

For what it's worth, the Fluxx FAQ that used to exist on the old RabbitWiki, which gave answers to various rules questions (which I believe came from Andy), addresses both the original question from Yusof (Goal added after Double Agenda) and the added question from Alex (Goal added when no Goal in play).  The answer in both cases: Yes, Radioactive Potato moves because the goal changed.  I couldn't find a specific answer to the related question of what happens when two Goal cards are in play with Double Agenda and then Double Agenda is trashed forcing one of the Goal cards to be trashed.  From those other rulings, I would have to conclude that this would also result in the Radioactive Potato moving.

I know I am late to this, but I feel a little different.  I feel that if you have a goal down and play double agenda and add one more than its not changing the goal.  The previous goal is still in effect.  But I do like the idea of Alex.  Its also how you want to interpret it.  Especially Cthulhu Fluxx.  My goodness.  They broke the mold when making that one.  So just make interpret it however the group feels is best.  Majority type of thing.  Happy playing!

1) Radioactive Potato movement:

We would rule that the Goal, as a set, has been changed if you change or add one card during Double Agenda.  The goal was "A or B" and now it's "A or C" and those are not the same.  Or, if it's the first time you're adding a second Goal, the goal was "A" and now it's "A or B".  Also not the same as each other.

You could think of it as moving "whenever a Goal is played."  It might be a good idea for us to actually tweak that wording on the next printing.  In fact, I think it has already been brought to our attention by someone asking a similar question.  Then again, it still needs to apply if one of two Goals is removed when the Rule is trashed, as we would probably rule that the Goal has changed in that case as well.  Might need to consult with Andy on that one.

2) Special Keeper abilities (and Rules).

Special Keeper abilities and Rules that allow you to take "extra" or "bonus" actions do NOT count as plays, for example:  Unseen Force, The Dreamer, The Laser Sword, The Finger of God, The Catapult, Wormhole, Magic Shoes, Goal Mill, Recycling, Plunder (this is NOT an exhaustive list by any means!)  None of these actions counts as a "play". 

Also, you don't have to take these things at a certain point in your turn; you could do them before you draw cards, or even after you play all your cards.  Your turn is not technically over until you have taken, or opted not to take those actions - BUT - if you let the next person go without doing them, you've ceded your option to do so.  The other players are not obligated to remind you to take all your options.

Well, as I see it, you invoke "GOWI" discarding your hand.  The CFAC effect happens immediately and goes to the top of the deck.  Then you draw up new cards.

If the GOWI effect were worded differently, suggesting any order of events was legal, you could fFIRST draw your cards THEN discard your old hand, and LASTLY the CFAC goes into effect.  But in my mind that is quite clumsy.  Perhaps if cards had a travel time between your hand and the various piles, then CFAC might still be en route to the draw pile when you draw up.  Or even if the CFAC had a clause stating something about "at the end of your turn" then maybe you would not wind up with the CFAC.

Alas, I'm sorry to say, your wife seems to me to be wrong.  I, like Judge John Hodgman, usually side with the wife.  But in this case, I am pretty sure you will wind up with the CFAC back in your hand at the end of all this.

Yes, the player who changes the Draw # gets to immediately draw more cards, assuming the draw # is increased, as specifically stated on the card.  Though the draw phase is over like you stated, look at it like a bonus received for playing that card, not reverting back to the draw phase.  In my opinion, that mechanism makes it more likely for a person to be willing to play that card - without it, you would be instantly giving the players after you more cards, and more cards for others is generally bad, so without that instant bonus, I know I would hesitate to put it in play: waiting a full additional round to benefit from it is hardly worth it.  The Looney's put each and every card through extensive play testing trying to create smooth, fluid game play, so I'd be pretty certain that the verbiage there was added out of necessity.

These other answers are all very strong, so I'm not sure if I am really adding that much to the conversation.  But here goes:

I see your confusion.  Don't think of it as a "Draw Phase" and a "Play Phase."  They are actually more like Quotas.  You have a certain number of cards you may play, and a certain number you may draw.

Or if you like, you could think of it as a Limit.  Since drawing more cards is usually good, and playing more cards is usually good, you usually want to play and draw as many as possible.  Those cards say you may Draw a Limit of, or Play A Limit of some number.  In that sense, a "Play All" card is like removing the Play Limit Rule.  The word "Limit" is a reserved word, so that's not exactly the best analogy, but that's the spirit anyway.

This leads to the following question: If there are no Phases as such, simply a set number of things to do, are you required to DRAW cards before you PLAY cards?  If you are playing a game without Creepers, the answer is "You MAY Play then Draw.  It's usually better to draw fFirst, so you have more options, but if you want to play out some cards fFrom your hand, you could do that, then draw."  But if you are playing with Creepers, the answer quickly necessitates to "If you have any Draws to take, you MUST take those before any Plays you have available.  You could draw a creeper, which would prevent you from winning or may otherwise affect your turn."

Anyway it's generally easier to say All Draw Quotas Must Be fFilled Before Any Play Quotas.

There is a spirited discussion about this topic somewhere.  Am I required to take all possible draws before any possible plays?  I was trying to fFind it and link to the discussion, but I cannot seem to fFind it.

I believe the answer eventually came down to something like "Yes, Because Andy Said So."  I can basically accept that: he did invent the game, after all, so he has some say in the matter.  This is how the digital game on iPad plays, and I believe this is how the official tournament rules are run.  However this is one of those subtle house rule points.  If you are okay with playing then drawing, then so be it.  I don't think it's explicitly written in the rules in the game box anywhere (other than the citation by the original poster above, where it states Draw a card and Play a card.)  But I could be wrong; I don't think I've given a careful reading of the printed rules in some while.

I agree with Scott's points here.  Neither my gaming group, nor any games I've played with the Looney's themselves has ever interpreted the rules to allow you to draw or play in whatever order you want.  It's always: Draw, then Play.  Taken from this page: http://sf.looneylabs.com/literature/Fluxx-Rules.html is this screengrab

It pretty clearly indicates a numerical order to the progression of a turn, while also allowing for optional actions (ie: ones starting with You May..) to be taken at any time.  There is no similar allowance for non-optional rules like Draw 3 anywhere to be found, but no-one is going to argue with something you consider to be a 'house rule' at your own table.

Ah, there is the careful reading of the rules I was looking fFor.  Thank you!

To the original poster's question:  This does NOT mean there are Phases of play!  Once you have taken your allotted draws, you are not absolutely done drawing cards.  Any new opportunities to draw more cards should be done so immediately.  You should probably look fFor opportunities to draw more cards, if you can.

Thank you everyone for all the great answers to this question!   

To all that replied...

Thank you very much for clarifying some things up for me.  I do appreciate all the details, and clarifications about the rules and the playing of the game when it comes to the Draw cards.

Again, thank you very much!!

Doug

Is this a separate product from  Regular Show Fluxx?  They've already mentioned that Regular Show Fluxx is going to be released on the 25th of July at a price of $20 and it'll have a launch kit for retailers costing $12.

http://www.looneylabs.com/regular-show-fluxx-product-announcement

It's a separate game:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/28818.html

Ah... I'm half hoping that the Looneys put the game up on the web store so that their international fans can pick up a game.  Might not happen, but one can hope.

I'm sure they will eventually. I saw Monster Fluxx there recently, and it was another Target exclusive.

They added in Monster Fluxx because, at the time, everyone was complaining that they either couldn't find it at their local Target store or, like me, live internationally and don't have a Target store anywhere nearby.

I'm glad they did add in Monster Fluxx, though, as I had cards from the Christmas freebies I couldn't use and I wanted to get my hands on a couple of copies, so I'm grateful to the Looneys for doing that.

I will most likely, as in the past, provide some ability to exchange a copy of these fFor something deemed of similar value.  This worked out well fFor me last time: i got a bunch of cookies, a couple little card games i probably wouldn't have otherwise purchased, and, yes, some shiny rocks!

Thank you again for offering this exchange service last time, Scott! 

Cross your toes...  CN Fluxx will hopefully go up for sale at Target.com next month so everyone will have a chance to buy it without trying to find it in a physical Target store.  We don't have a specific launch date, Target just doesn't work that way...   but it should be showing up in stores sometime (hopefully) in August.  If we can't get it to go up for sale at Target.com we will sell it in our online store, but we are hopeful it is going up on their web site this time! 

Unfortunately, I tried taking Scott up on his offer for Monster Fluxx, but for one reason or another, never heard back.  Ended up getting 2 copies from the web store.

Oh!  That was you, back then!  I'm sorry we weren't able to connect before.  I sent a fFriend request to you on here, which is the fFirst step of being able to talk directly and make fFurther plans.  Here's the link, way back then, of when we chatted.  I'd be delighted to give it another go.  =)

Mind you, at the moment I don't have any copies to sell or trade.  And it may prove easier to get them fFrom Looney Labs directly.  But we can continue to sort it out.

I might need to take you up on that, Scott.  It seems that the Target website won't ship internationally.

> but it should be showing up in stores sometime (hopefully) in August

Will Target actually let you (Looney Labs) know when your product has been received at their central warehouse and is being distributed out to stores?  Or do you just have to find out on your own (i.e., spot it yourself or be told by someone who spotted it)?

I guess I'm just saying that for Monster Fluxx I haunted (pun intended) several Targets in my area, regularly, with no luck until getting lucky and spotting it in a Target that's in another part of town (so I almost never go in that one).  I don't want to go through all of that again, so I'm hoping this forum will let everyone know whenever CN Fluxx starts appearing in Target stores around the country.

+1 to this.I tend to not EVER go to target unless I REALLY need to because the closest of the several around here is 3 times the distance as the closest Walmart...and the furthest "local" target is about 20 miles and that's not including jumping the state line...I would definitely not enjoy haunting all of the local Targets...Definitely hoping to find it on Target.com soon so I can stop wondering if I am going to have to start driving 50+ miles a day to check each store.

> but it should be showing up in stores sometime (hopefully) in August

Okay, so today was my teen's second day of 11th grade, and he needed some school supplies that weren't already bought before this week.  Legit reason to visit Target.  For the record, I was at the "Memphis East" location on Poplar near the I240 freeway.

Checked the card games section; no sign of CN Fluxx.  Saw 2 copies of Monster Fluxx laying on the shelf that the card game peghooks are over; these copies had "clearance" stickers on them.  $2.98 on one, $6.98 on the other.  I took them to a price-checker unit mounted on a column nearby; bother scanned at $2.98, so I decided to buy both and give them to friends.

Saw an employee stocking the electronics nearby; asked him to look up on his hand unit "Cartoon Network Fluxx".  He did, and after a moment of initial confusion he saw that it came up under that exact wording, saying that there were copies in the back.  He used his walkie talke to confirm with someone, who said that there were 8 copies back there and he can come get them.  My awesome man there brought 4 of them out; I bought 2 of them.  $9.99 each. 

Note that Target's SKU (Stock-Keeping Unit #) for Fluxx SE and Monster Fluxx is the same one (087000146, and describing on the receipt as "Looney Labs" with no mention of "Fluxx") but that their SKU for CN Fluxx is different (087000112, and described on the receipt simply as "Card Game"). 

I'll open it tonight when my wife gets home, and we can all play together.  :)

SWEEEEET!!  Great fFind, dude!  You win the "fFirst Catch" prize   =)

Hi everybody, 

So we are working with Target to try and get it up on their website - but it hasn't happened yet, unfortunately.  We have also still only heard reports of CN Fluxx in stores in different areas. It will not necessarily end up in every Target but will be in most by September.  We will not be able to offer this one on our website until Easter 2015 unless something changes in our agreement with Target (this happened last time because they ended up not listing it on Target.com).

This also means, it won't be able to ship internationally but Amazon in the UK will have it within the next month from what I understand.  And yes, if there is any remaining stock of Monster Fluxx or regular Fluxx at Target, they are being cleared out to make way for Cartoon Network so keep your eyes open in the game aisle!  There are a lot of great games moving out this month to make way for new Fall stock.

Spotted in the wild!

Okay, played CN Fluxx last night with my wife and my 11th-grade son.  Very fun.  Some interesting new cards in there, with different play mechanics delivered thanks to the theme of the deck.  Just two examples for you (potential spoilers, I suppose): 

1) a New Rule ("Get Over Here") that allows you, once per turn, to to steal a Keeper that another player has in front of them, but only if that Keeper is from the same TV show as a Keeper that you already have in front of you.  For example, if you have one of the Powerpuff Girls, you can steal another PPG, or Mojo Jojo, from an opponent.  This presumes, of course, that you're familiar with all the shows and their characters!  If you didn't know Mojo Jojo was from PPG, then it would never occur to you that he was steal-able under this rule.

2) an Action card that lets you drop an (imaginary) anvil on the head of another player, of your choice, causing him to discard his entire hand of cards.  This card, in addition to the return of cards we've seen in previous decks for trading hands and rotating hands, makes for some interesting strategies during gameplay.

Love (or hate) the Pirate Fluxx card about drawing more cards because you talked like a pirate for a while?  Yeah, that's back, except you get to talk like a cartoon character's voice this time.  It does NOT specify that you have to use a Cartoon Network character's voice.  I talked like Charlie Brown's teacher ("Bwa bwa. Bwa bwa BWA bwa.")  :D

Also, there are no Creeper cards in CN Fluxx, which makes it an easier game for beginners and younger kids.  There's more I could say, but I'll shut up now and let you all discover it for yourself.  Let's just say that if this is a review, I give it 5 stars.

It also makes me more interested in buying something I wasn't planning to buy.  After borrowing a DVD from a friend, this morning I watched the first two episodes of Regular Show for the first time.  Ugh, not my style at all. I enjoy shows that feel like the writers were tripping on acid, but this felt like a really bad trip. The second episode didn't improve my opinion at all; I had to kick the disc out at that point. My son caught the first one before he went off to school, and he loves it.  So yeah, I'm probably buying Regular Show Fluxx, mainly for him.  I'm sure it will be more about play mechanics and strategy, just like CN Fluxx is, so it ought to be fine.  We'll see, I guess.

scott if you find some let me know i'l make you more cookies lol 

Awesome!  Those were great cookies!!  I'll let you know when I fFind a copy.  =)

Still no sightings in West El Paso, TX. The clearance Monster Fluxx boxes are gone(which is the only Fluxx version I have ever seen at this location) and I didn't even see the old hanger they used to be on nor did I see a new hanger for Cartoon Fluxx, but there is a different version of UNO where Monster Fluxx used to hang.

I stopped by the Target store on Olumpia in Tulsa, OK.  They had the peg up.  Asked an associate if they any in back.  She scanned it and said they had 8 copies.  I asked if she would go get one but basically got a no.  She had every excuse in the book not to go get it.  Hopefully the Target on 21st street in Tulsa will be more accommodating when I get there this weekend.  So they are in Tulsa but at least one store is not putting them out just yet. 

Wanted to update the status of my search for CN flux.  I went to the Target on 21st here in Tulsa and they had the peg.  The toy department clerk ran the scanner over the barcode and said they didn't have any in the back according to the device.  I then stopped by the Target in Owasso. They have several on the peg.  They have one less now. :) 

My son really wants me grab CN Fluxx. I was successful at grabbing three copies of Monster Fluxx.  I would be willing to trade for a copy of CN Fluxx or arrange a PayPal purchase.  Please contact me on BGG.  My handle is bryan1650t.  I'm really liking these Fluxx games.  My next goal is to give Chrononauts a shot.  My kids ages 9 and 7 are avid Pokemon players, and they are catching on to these games well. 

I think you will enjoy Chrononauts, I love it and the first time we played my wife snuck up from bwhind and beat me....asking me questions about the rules the whole time then all innocent asking if the goal was to match the timeline on your ID and saying "Oh well then...I win". Sneaky. But I have also still had no luck locating CN Fluxx. I am going to expand my search this week. Its odd because the Closest target where we do all of our shopping has been Fluxxless for weeks now and the peg has been removed and replaced with some different version of Uno.

Found a fully stocked peg of CN Fluxx in Superior, WI while on vacation.  Couldn't help but buy three copies!  One for me to be a permanent fixture/replacement copy in my game collection, one for the kids to play with-- they love it, we've been playing it daily for a week now-- and one for potential gift or trade on BGG. 

I also purchased Chrononauts plus expansions on a recent Amazon order to get free shipping; I hope we will enjoy that one too!

Keep Fluxxing,

Evan

It is true - CN Fluxx is now available at Target.com

http://www.target.com/p/cartoon-network-fluxx/-/A-15611255

this link will let you order online AND can tell you if it is in stock at a Target store near you for pick up! 

Usually, the direct, literal interpretation is the correct one.  The Looneys work hard to whittle down the number of words on each card to only the necessary ones.  Starting with the typical disclaimer of "The way my friends and I play"...if the Captains Hat is NOT on the table, the player who played Walk the Plank can choose anyone to discard their hand - including themselves, advantageous if in a Play All, and holding the winning goal for someone else.  If the Captains Hat is on the table, the Captain must choose who discards their entire hand, from all the players at the table, himself and the original action player included.  So, the Captain is the only person who could ever make the Captain Walk the Plank - this could also be advantageous if holding a poor hand, and No-Hand Bonus is on the table.  But that's the way we play, anyone with different interpretations should certainly chime in!

Alex is entirely correct.

It's a very unusual situation, since The Traitor is a promo (and a really weird one at that!) but I would agree with your ruling on this.  As you point out, it makes sense for both a strict rule reading (Goal vs Ungoal) and thematic sense (insanity for all except the Cultist). Andy isn't around to back me up on this right this instant, but I think this sounds like the right call.  I will grab it for our future FAQ.

-Alison

Yeah, it is unusual. We've got probably 90% of the promo cards between a couple of us, so what we do is shuffle all the promo cards, deal off the top 3 and shuffle them into the deck :)

Just saw the card on Facebook. I like it, and hope to get a couple.

These do look awesome!!

Well, gotta make sure I'm wearin' some tie dye!  Not really a problem, I gotta bunch.  =D

Too bad it doesn't say "Draw 1 card, per piece of tie dye clothing you have on."  I could probably draw a lot of cards, if i plan it right.  heh.  =)

The cards are up for sale now!  http://store.looneylabs.com/TableTop-Tie-Dye-Bonus

You can buy one card for $1, or a pack of 25 cards for $7.50 - like all of our promo cards. 

We printed 42,000 of these cards!   1500 kits were built for TableTopDay, and we put a pack of 25 into each kit...  plus we made extras to sell in advance to anyone who won't be able to make it to an event that got one of those 1500 kits.

And there is still time to make or buy some tie-dye before April 5th - thanks for showing your Looney Labs colors! 

Bought a couple just now, along with 1st edition Fluxx

I too have ordered said promo card (as well as all other Fluxx promo cards currently available in the online store).

Just wish I didn't have to wait for it to come over her, lol.

During our late, lamented Highlander CCG tourneys, some of the eliminated players would be playing this 'Fluxx' game. They tried for ages to get me to try it out. I finally did (though I don't think it was at a Highlander event) and I was hooked.

I now own all 'regular' versions of Fluxx (ICE version and up) and all other versions of it. I've also picked up all of the promo cards except the Marlene for the first version of Stoner Fluxx.

Sometimes being a completist is a pain...

So which is your personal favourite?

I'd say Cthulhu, but Oz is a lot of fun as well.

Zombie was my fFavorite fFor a long time, but I think I most enjoy the balance between the complex and obscure Cthulhu, and the simple and delightful Vanilla.  I think i play more of whatever is newest, so I have been playing Monster, the most, lately.

For me, the hobby of Fluxx started when I watched Star Fluxx being played on Table Top.  I think the only one I'm really missing is Family Fluxx.  Star Fluxx remains my favorite out of the games, though.

it was my second day of my second year of college, and a friend of a friend say lets play a game, and i was hooked i now of 9 out of 13 and hopping to be able to get more soon

"13" includes the two Target exclusive versions. I have the other 11 in stock here at my shop.

Myself, I have all 13, plus the original version of Stoner, Fluxx 3.0, and 2.0 (the ICE version)

Have yet to pull the trigger on buying the first edition version.

Choice = [discard an Action card the victim selects] or [discard a card selected at random by someone other than the victim]

To my reading, that doesn't mean 'victim must discard an Action if he or she has one, else random', if that's what's throwing you off. In general, a literal reading of a card is best; don't jiggle it semantically into something it's not or add 'hidden' conditions..

Well, it doesn't look like there's too much activity on this page, but in case anyone is reading this - I am DEFINITELY going to be running games at the TableTop Day event at Stone Brewing in Liberty Station. In addition to Looney Labs' amazing Star Fluxx and Fluxx: The Boardgame, I will be demoing Gloom for Atlas Games and several great games from USAopoly - Ratuki!, Tapple, CrossWays and Telestrations! I hope you can join me!

Nothing at all wrong with being a dork!

that is true 

he gets it, creepers DO NOT count as draws. they are to be put right in front of the person who draws them

no keeper moves do not count as plays 

What she said.  These sorts of extra "You may do this or that" things are not Plays with a capital P.  They are just things you get to do because you are awesome.

Thanks

Wow, what a wonderfully creative way to try and make learning fun, she did a great job with it!   Not too long ago as a joke, I swapped a handful of Spanish Fluxx cards into my friends deck (for their English counterparts) and they ended up just staying in there, so we've all learned a few new words just by playing!  I like what she did though...Kinda seems like there is some additional potential there for you guys to brainstorm over.  Thanks for posting the link!

i do that if i have a card i dont want to play 

Ooh, good question!  My opinion is that your turn is not over, since you have not played all 4 cards yet

Sure, but you might also GOWI to build up a depleted hand.

Indeed, that's what I see as well.  quite clever, actually.

but you turn is over the card says it. it does not matter how many cards you have play, if you use get on with it you are done.

but if you was to use discard and draw your turn would not be over.

but if you only have three cards you would have to discard at lest one of them but you would not be able to play another card after that

Play 4 says: "If you have fewer than 4 cards in your hand, play all your cards."

Get On With It! specifies: "...if you are not empty-handed...."

So, both cards prevent you from using the Get On With It! power after you've played your last card.  At least, that's what I saw in the version of Fluxx I looked at.

Hm, mine doesn't have that "if".  Basic 4.0 and Python both say:

At any time before your final Play, you may discard your entire hand and draw a new hand of 3 cards. This is a free action but if you take it, your turn ends immediately.

ooohhh i want to make those now

Make what, a dinosaur dance?  Me too!

=)

both the dance and the cards

after looking at my other decks the mass market ones are smaller then the other decks

Uhmmm, I don't actually know any of those IM's, I'm sorry.  I'm on Brigandine, which you can get to at:

telnet brigandine.org 9390

except windows doesn't appear to ship with telnet anymore.  I suggest gmud as a mud client of choice.  Or if you're fFeeling fFancy you could get PuTTY and open an ssh connection to brigandine.org and log in as user tf, then give a username.  But I'm probably not making much sense.  Sometimes I wish I had run an IRC node instead.  =)

i only have a tablet right now. can't do much on a computer, i have the apps for the other ones

That's basically it, although the word "nullifies" might be a bit misleading.  It's more like you're ignored if someone has X and is trying to see if there is a Y on the table.

A couple of goals have more than one Y.  If the Goal is "Insects Eat Leaves or Mushrooms" and I have Leaves and Poison, the person with Insects can still win if Mushrooms is on the table in front of someone other than me.

The Goal stays in play, so someone with the X on the current "X Eats Y" Goal could, for example, play Trash Something to discard your Poison and win with your Y.

There are various ways to kill Zombies.  If you have the Shotgun, you can kill 1 Creeper (i.e. Zombie card) per turn.  You don't lose the Shotgun when you do this.  Similarly, if the Weapon Bonus New Rule is in play, you can use any Keeper with a "Pow" symbol to kill a Creeper in front of you.  So if you had the Shotgun and several Weapons, you could kill several zombies per turn (as long as Weapon Bonus was in play).  The Zombie Season New Rule lets you kill one Creeper per turn even if you don't have any weapons.

Different Zombie cards react differently to being killed.  The individual Zombies just go to the discard pile.  So do the Pair of Zombies cards.  The Zombie Trio and Zombie Quartet have different effects, which are listed on the cards.

In addition to killing Zombies, you can get rid of them in other ways.  For example, the No Zombies Action puts all the Zombie cards in the discard pile.  The Look Over There! New Rule allows you to move a Zombie card to another player in certain circumstances.  And the Pair of Zombies Creepers are moved to another player when you kill a different Zombie in front of you.

Hope that helps.

Basically you are suggesting a bunch of people play several games of solitaire at the same time.  I've never played Solitaire Fluxx; it might be good.  And since we're all playing at the same time, rules that affect one of us, affect all of us. 

Actions like "Everyone gets one" would be weird, because everyone would get a card fFrom their own deck.   It would act more like "Everyone draws a card."  Maybe that could be modified to "everyone gives you two cards fFrom their deck, and you pick the one they get" but that could get clumsy.

It might be good fFor a lark.

So I played a test game of Battle-Fluxx today with four players and four different decks.

These were the rules I made for it:

• Each player draws from their own deck/draw pile and has their own discard pile
• There can be up to a number of goals in play equal to the amount of players/decks, Players can also win if they have two specific Items required in front of them by any current Goals.
• Also, you may want to go though your decks and add icons from other decks to make them interact with each other more.

This way of playing I feel is less random and more strategic. Because you are more likely to draw cards that match your goals, you want to try and change all the goals to goals from your deck, so for example playing three goal cards in one turn becomes a good move because you are the most likely to achieve those goals.

Actually the way I have Battle-Fluxx work is that whenever you draw you draw from your deck, so player who uses "Everybody get's one" draws from their own deck and hands em out to other players which is is nice because you can give them goals and rules from your deck which will very likely only help you

With the encouragement to make your own cards using Fluxx Blanxx and some of the cards that already exist, there might be some problems. Normally, adding a card to the deck means an equal chance for each player to get ahold of it, so putting a card that might be overpowered is less of a problem. With this, whatever cards you add to your deck are almost always exclusive to you. There will be some need for some deck construction rules. I would suggest having each player be limited to a choice of one of theme decks sold by Looney Labs, and not being allowed to modify it (no fluxx blanxx, no expansions, no mixing cards in from other decks). Modifications could instead be made to a special, shared deck that any player may draw from in place of their own. Perhaps they all agree on what's going into this shared deck, or perhaps each player puts up some cards to go into it with the knowledge that an opponent is just as likely to draw whatever card is put into the shared deck.

So the shared deck would likely receive cards that work to bridge two or more decks. It would have keepers that could count as 2 or more keepers from different decks (an "Arquebus" card that counts as either flintlock pistol from pirates deck or shotgun from zombie deck for example), new rules that give a player a taste of what their opponent has to put up with (a new rule that adds the "and no zombies" qualifier to any goals that do not mention zombies), goals that require keepers from both decks ("Ship of the Dead" would require a number of zombies and a ship keeper), and any expansions for either deck.

Here's a possibility.  Don't shuffle the decks together, but place them all on the table and let each player draw from whichever deck(s) they choose.  (Maybe each draw within a turn must be from a different deck?)  Discards all go in one stack.  Whenever two draw-decks are empty, the discard stack is shuffled to become a new draw-deck.

Good start, got a way to go yet though with the expansions.

Both would attach to the (unlucky) Captain.

You'd have an evil captain that's suffering from brain parasites.

Andy publicly apologizes fFor the printing error you noticed, on the Wunderland blog:

http://new.wunderland.com/2013/11/01/monsters-in-the-mass-market/

The Tombstone is incorrect.  The Mummy is the right picture.  Your wife won, fFair and square (although her honesty is noble.)

Ah, thanks.  I wasn't aware at all of the Wunderland blog, nor of this apology about the card in question. That easily straightens things out (for people who become aware of the blog, that is!). 

I appreciate it, Scott, and I've shown it to my wife and let her know that she won.  She, our son (15) and I played a few games this afternoon and she won some and I won some (and my son would have won a round if he had played two cards in the opposite order that he did...live and learn!).  Lots of fun was had.  And that's the ultimate goal, right?  Thanks!

Just on a cursory search, it seems October the first will be the date of release.

I was going to ask why we've heard nothing for Demo Team members. So I searched, and found out it's ANOTHER Target exclusive?!

Why? Not that I won't be getting a copy or 2 (of course), but why another Target exclusive?

Probably because it's a very lucrative arrangement fFor the Looneys.  And hey, we just got a bunch of love.  It's all alright.

What love? The swag bag with the demo copies of Fluxx: the Board Game?

That's what I was thinking of, yes.  I have given lots of that stuff away by now, but I still have a variety of things to give away as prizes and promos in the fFuture, too. 

I got mine through my game distributor, so I didn't get the swag.

Would love a copy of Monster Fluxx, but if it's Target exclusive... oh well, guess I'm not getting one over here in the UK.

Has anyone gotten a copy yet? The 2 Targets we've checked here in Illinois have come up blank.

There really isn't any set release date for something going into Target...  we have shipped them games, and they will start flowing into each store as stock levels adjust.  There is a sale planned (starting 10/13) which will help pull stock through and hopefully get Monster Fluxx on shelf at Target stores nationwide before Halloween. 

And why Target only?  This is another simplified $10 version of Fluxx, designed to introduce the game to a new wider audience. To get them interested in Fluxx and then pull them over to the hobby stores where all the other very cool more complicated versions are available.  Instead of giving Target a version of Zombie Fluxx at this $10 price, which would hurt sales of Fluxx in hobby stores, we made a new simpler monster themed version for them. 

Thats pretty awesome.  I'm definitely looking fForward to it being in stores near me.  =)

I've been thinking about this.  I think, as long as I can fFind some copies in stores near me (that shouldn't be a problem, I'm just sayin), I can probably buy up a number of copies to ship to people in other countries who haven't been able to get one any other way.  We can work out some sort of payment thing, maybe you can send me something cool and British I wouldn't otherwise get.  Maybe a local souvenir of some kind.  Or if you prefer, just paypal money or something.  Whatever.  Let me know what you think, and we'll see if we can maybe help each other get something fFun.  =)

How did you find that?  On the web I couldn't find any mention of a date,  and at Target.com the only version of Fluxx mentioned was Space Fluxx!

We don't currently have plans to release an expanded, hobby version of Monster Fluxx. We have plans for a 2014 version of Fluxx for hobby that I think will be a lot more exciting and we'll announce as soon as our plans are finalized.

I mentioned this above.  I might be able to send a fFew copies to people in other countries myself.  Maybe you can send me some money through paypal, or maybe you can send me some other cool artifact fFrom your part of the world, and we both get something cool.

I can't possibly do this fFor a hundred people, but it might be fFun to have a nice exchange with, i dunno, a dozen or so people.  I send you a game, you send me a trinket; or cash, if you prefer.

Original Fluxx or some new variation?  Either way, I can't say there's much better than than game that features Sasquatch or Frankenstein's Monster.  Would've been nice to play Monster Fluxx on Halloween, and as others have noted, would've went well with Zombie Fluxx.

A new themed version for next Summer. Hope you are able to get your hands on Monster Fluxx through a friend as it is a fun edition. And I am pushing for any mass market-type stores abroad to pick it up but that takes time and would likely only happen in the UK as the priorities for those releasing licensed versions in other languages are some of the older, classic Fluxx decks.

If it could happen in the UK, that would be fantastic.  Unfortunately, the nearest hobby store to me is Static Games in Glasgow, it's an hour and a half journey time and stocks very little fluxx games, maybe 3 or 4 games with a lot of repeats of those games.  That's why I tend to buy mostly from Looney Labs directly unless I find myself within walking distance of Static Games anyway.

Just had a thought an additional thought.  Maybe Tesco or Argos in the UK would be willing to sell Monster Fluxx?  Both, along with Morrisons and ASDA are nationwide chains over here.

I've tried 4 Target locations in the Memphis, TN area (some multiple times) since Oct. 1st.  No dice on any of them (although the special Target-made version of the regular Fluxx game is on sale for $7.99 from 10/13 until early November). 

I contacted the folks at Looney Labs a couple of weeks ago to ask about it, and was told Monster Fluxx had shipped to Target's warehouse, but they had no way to know when it would get distributed out to the stores.  I asked if it was supposed to be in the toy section (near board games, where the regular Fluxx is), or with Halloween stuff, or up front on the display with Baseball cards, Magic: The Gathering cards, etc.  I was told it was supposed to be in Toys, and actually on the same peghook as the regular Fluxx. 

Yesterday I was checking my 4th Target location for MF, and I asked an employee about it, filling him in on what I knew (described above).  He suggested that it might be like how the chain does action figures: a bunch of different characters which are all part of the same brand, and released at the same time in the same wave, will all get the same SKU (stock keeping unit #, a.k.a. the ID number of the product in their computer systems). But if one item with that assortment's SKU sells out, then it doesn't get restocked until ALL the items with that SKU sell out at that location.

So if, for example, someone is looking for Bumblebee of the Transformers and that location is out of Bumblebee, but still has Optimus and Ironhide and Ratchet, then that store won't get more until all the others sell out, too. This could be why there's no Monster Fluxx, even though Halloween is fast approaching and Target is losing their ability to capitalize on the spooky holiday with the monster-themed card game.  Because their computer system can't tell one from the other, so all it knows is that this store location still has that SKU in stock, so don't send more yet.

I passed along employee's theory on to the lady at Looney Labs I had spoken to, and she'll pass it on to the right person to look into it.  But it makes sense: if Fluxx and Monster Fluxx are supposed to be stocked on the same peghook, then they probably have the same SKU.  So if your location has plenty of regular Fluxx in stock, then it won't get a new bundle (which is likely to have both Fluxx and MF in the bundle) until they sell out of the batch of regular Fluxx they have right now.  And even then it might take them a week or so to get that restock in from the warehouse.

Very informative!!!

I'm delighted to report, I have acquired Monster Fluxx!  And it is awesome!

David Lambert's hunch about Monster Fluxx and Fluxx appearing on the same peg in the store is correct.  There were about 7 copies of Monster Fluxx, with 1 or 2 copies of regular Fluxx all on the same peg.  There is another Target near me which did not have Monster Fluxx out at all.  I'm tempted to buy the 2 copies of regular Fluxx, just so they have to restock with Monster.

My fFavorite Goal is Cereal Mascots: any two of the vampire, the ghost, and the fFranken-monster.  Hee hee!!

I'm wondering if The Teenage Detectives are someone specific.

The card backs are still the classic black and white FLUXX logo (although I do notice the new color logo fFrom the board game appears on the fFront of the Basic Rules card), so this will integrate well with other decks.  There is already one zombie keeper in the deck, so adding more should be no trouble at all.

As mechanisms go, there isn't anything too surprising in here. Keepers, Goals, Actions and New Rules.  Monster Keepers are marked with an eyeball, and some cards cue off that.  The Spooky Door is a keeper which, if on the table, lets anyone play a card immediately fFrom the top of the deck during their turn.  These (and others) are mechanics we've seen before, and they are still very nice tools.  The balance of goals to keepers seems very even.  In all, this is a very nicely polished game you can totally take to a Christmas party!  Or any other holiday party that might be coming up soon.  =)

I stopped by one Target store yesterday (Oct 24); they had regular Fluxx but not Monster Fluxx.  Seeing what you say here, and that Scott got it, maybe some other ones may have it.  

Has it been determined whether F and MF have the same SKU?  They're the same brand, but definitely not "released at the same time in the same wave".  

(That restocking strategy seems kinda dumb to me, and definitely frustrating to the manufacturers.  Perhaps if I knew more about retail business I'd see more sense about it.) 

Lucky!!  Maybe I'll try other stores in my area.

Hi Bryan,

Target's Fluxx & Monster Fluxx do not have the same SKU but they are tracked by Target under a master DCPI.  Our local Target doesn't yet have Monster Fluxx but I've heard reports that they've begun to flow in. The regular Fluxx won't go away, but the distribution centers that feed into the retail stores need to distribute all the regular Fluxx to retail until the mix of Monster and regular start showing up. It will eventually be a mixed peg. I know it is a bit frustrating because it's unpredictable but it's actually allowing us amazing flexibility to offer a new title in the same space. The $2 off sale that is happening now should help move more product through those distribution centers and speed up the process.

Best,

Amber

David Lambert's hunch about Monster Fluxx and Fluxx appearing on the same peg in the store is correct.  There were about 7 copies of Monster Fluxx, with 1 or 2 copies of regular Fluxx all on the same peg.  There is another Target near me which did not have Monster Fluxx out at all.  I'm tempted to buy the 2 copies of regular Fluxx, just so they have to restock with Monster.

You are so fortunate to have found these!

Over the weekend I once more hit 5 Target stores in my area (one new, four I had previously visited).  None had Monster Fluxx yet.  None had sold out of regular Fluxx yet, apparently, to require the restocking.  2 locations were down to 3 copies of regular Fluxx, the others had between 7 and 9 copies.  The new location I visited, which not surprisingly had the most copies on the peg, didn't even have the current promo ("on sale for $7.99!") marked at all.

There are another few locations which I haven't visited before, which I might have the chance to check by mid-week.  Plus I'll keep my eye on the two stores that were down to 3 copies each.  Surely it cannot be long for them, right?

My concern is whether Target's central warehouse and central HQ will see Monster Fluxx as a "seasonal Halloween" item, and after this Friday might possibly ship the remaining copies in the central warehouse back to Looney Labs as unsold stock.  If that happened, then my town's local stores might never get copies.  :/

Hi David,

This is not a seasonal item and Target will not ship it back. It is their exclusive version to be mixed in with the regular Target Fluxx for the foreseeable future. It happens to be flowing in around Halloween for most stores but it isn't specifically for their Halloween set.

-Amber

Oh, about this:

I'm wondering if The Teenage Detectives are someone specific.

Are you sure they wouldn't be pals of Scooby-Doo?  By any chance do they look like Fred, Velma, Shaggy and Daphne? Is there any mention of a van called The Mystery Machine, or a group called Mystery, Inc?

http://i.imgur.com/qzsSvHg.jpg

Otherwise, the friends of Buffy in the TV version of Buffy The Vampire Slayer were often referred to as the Scooby Gang, or the Scoobies, because of their being teenage kids chasing vampires...much like the Mystery Inc. group did in the Scooby-Doo cartoons. 

So not having seen the Monster Fluxx cards yet, I'm guessing Teenage Detectives card refers to one or the other.  Probably the former rather than the latter.  Just a blind guess, though.

THAT'S good to know!  Thanks for the reassurance.  :)

The Teenage Detectives are not meant to be a specific pair, but a general nod to everyone from Scooby's gang to Nancy Drew, the Hardy Boys, the Mad Scientist's Club, Encyclopedia Brown, etc.

Not much that can be offered from over here in Scotland, unfortunately - besides the unusual jar of dead midges or a bar of midge soap.

Monster Fluxx isn't appearing on Target's website either - it only shows Star Fluxx, otherwise it would've made it easy to simply order it myself and wait about a week or 2 for delivery.

There is only really one supermarket over here that has ties to an American corporation - ASDA's parent company is Walmart.

Cool cool.  They seem like a couple of cool crime solving kids, in any case.  They actually remind me of a couple kids fFrom the Ghostwriter series fFrom the 80s, just slightly.

Perhaps some Nanofiction about the kids is called fFor.  =)  Actually, it occurs to me Monster Fluxx might make a nice nanofictionary card set.  It would require some creative adaptation of the rules, but I'd play it.  =)

My local Target had them in today.  Methinks they've been holding them until Halloween as the Fluxx peg had been empty for a week.  Alas...

Hi Scott, I'd be interested in either a trade, or reimbursement to help build by Fluxx collection. Let me know if this is possible and how you'd like to proceed.

Yay! I finally found some! Bought 2 copies.  I've kept trying the 5-6 Target stores in the immediate radius of my home, but tonight was in a different part of town and tried a location I'm not usually near.  Bingo, they had 5 of 'em.

I'd just like to publicly thank Scott for helping me to acquire a copy of Monster Fluxx over here in the UK.

Thanks Scott, I couldn't have done it without you :)

I am happy to help you become the fFirst person on the continent who owns a copy!!  =)

LOL, I know what you're saying there Scott...but as my friend in the U.K. is fond of telling me and his other American friends, "the U.K. is, by definition, NOT 'on the continent'...AT ALL!"  :D

That's a fFair point.  Somewhat more encompassing would be to say that he is now the only person on another hemisphere to own the game!  (Also, this may not be true at all, since others copies might have otherwise been shipped around.  But it's cool to think of, anyway!)

If I can send you the cash by paypal, any chance you can hook me up with a copy, Scott?

It would be my pleasure!  I have sent a fFriend request on here so we can discuss details privately.

I was wondering if there was any chance that someone had access to an extra copy of this game that I could paypal the money to them to ship one to me as my local Target stores none seem to carry it.  I'd love to get my hands on a copy.

Tell you what, I can't really make any promises right now (I'm flat broke) but after this Sunday I can check the Target I finally got my copy from. If they still have it it'd be my pleasure to get one and send it your way :-) I'll let you know next Tuesday if I was successful

Tell you what, I can't really make any promises right now (I'm flat broke) but after this Sunday I can check the Target I finally got my copy from. If they still have it it'd be my pleasure to get one and send it your way :-) I'll let you know next Tuesday if I was successful

So many of us have been frequently shopping at Target, or even multiple Targets, in search of Monster Fluxx, going back over and over until we find it?

...

Well played, Target... well played.

Ok.  Our Target had some, so I bought a few extras.  I have 3 extras,  Send me a message if you'd like one.

Hi Bryan,

You're correct in that Target isn't going to be able to find it by location because the 2 separate items share the same master DCPI.

And unfortunately, Target.com has an issue that has prevented us having either version of Fluxx listed consistently for over a year now. They are doing a lot of work to improve Target.com but I can't imagine our titles are the biggest priority right now as they upgrade the entire site.

I wish I could help more, but for now this is all we have. I'd ask friends to keep their eyes open for it in different Target locations.  

I have to apologize ms Genevieve, unfortunately my paycheck was incredibly not great this time around. However I've worked some extra hours in prep for another round (last minute no less) of Christmas shopping. If you'd like I can pick you up a copy in a couple weeks or I noticed Kevin L on the next page said he has a couple extra copies. Let me know and I'll continue the hunt :-)

That's perfectly fine, I totally understand. I'll check with Kevin and let you know if I am still on the hunt. I appreciate the offer though!

Haha Racine.......the ONE stop we didn't make traveling from Chicago to Milwaukee between our two families.....figures...sending ya a message :)

One Monster Fluxx on the way to Genevieve.

Making her, as fFar as I know, only the second person outside of the U.S. to have a copy!

EDIT: Oh, wait, you are in the U.S. aren't you.  Doh!

My apologies!  I mixed up people in my head fFor a moment.  I think fFor some reason I had you confused in with Lucy Bracegirdle, who lives in the U.K.

One more gone.  Only 1 left.

Last one is accounted for.  It will be heading to the UK.  I've been to my Target twice since I bought these to see if there are any more and the first time the peg was empty and last time there was no peg for it.

I still have one more copy to spare, if anyone needs it.  I can seek more, of course, but sitting placidly on my desk is the one copy.

i would love one, there is only one target here been going every week for two months and nothing 

Ok, I am sending you a private message thing to sort out details on this.

Cost + Shipping.  Message me here!

How much?  I'm interested....

How much?  What would the postage be to the UK?  I might be interested.

$10.50 USD (Cost plus Tax) + Shipping from USA + the cost of the padded envelope.  The post office is near my work, so if you message me an address, I can get a shipping quote.  I'll pass on true cost to the first two interested - I could use the karma.

Send invoice to    studiomunkie@earthlink.net   I won't be greedy, I'll just take one... zip for shipping is 92336, thanks! :) 

I assumed you do paypal if that's ok, if not let me know how to proceed... :)

Monster Fluxx is now available in the webstore since so many people were having problems locating the edition in Target stores and due to it's lack of availability internationally:

http://store.looneylabs.com/Monster-Fluxx?sc=2&category=1468

Hope this helps!

Thanks so much Amber. Just ordered a copy :)

Ordered that, and alot of other stuff... thanks! :)

FINALLY!!!   I found Monster Fluxx in a DC-area Target this morning! 

Northern Virginia, to be more precise. It was the Target near Seven Corners, at the corner of route 50 (Arlington Blvd) and Patrick Henry.  There were 4 copies there, and they were slightly discounted IIRC. 

Ironically, I come on here to find it's in the online store.  This is great news, but I'm glad I didn't see it.  I almost certainly would have ordered it, and missed the chance to reward a Target for carrying it. 

I think we're gonna have monster fluxx sightings.. like bigfoot! (which as you know is one of the cards in monster fluxx...)

Aren't you all in the northern hemisphere?

How about "on another tectonic plate"?

Got mine!  "Discard and Draw" was stuck onto "Angry Mob"... might just have to grab another copy.

Oh dear.

FYI - I was at Target today getting school supplies and looked for (and found) the new Target-exclusive Cartoon Network Fluxx deck ($9.99).  I also found a couple of Monster Fluxx decks...they were marked as "Clearance" and priced at $2.98 each.  So go find 'em and get 'em while you can!  Detailed story and photo here:

http://looneylabs.ning.com/forum/topics/cartoon-network-fluxx?commentId=6320919%3AComment%3A98281

The real question here is will Monster Fluxx remain available in the webstore now that target appears to be getting rid of it or will it take its place next to Martian Fluxx and Family Fluxx in the Vault? Either way I am glad I got one...I missed out on both Family Fluxx and Martian Fluxx and I am not so much of a completionist that I am willing to pay $30-$70 for a copy on Amazon/Ebay.

Oh I have interest. but last time I looked for Martian fluxx, about a week or two ago, it was $50 on Amazon and $70 on eBay, which is what prompted me to throw out those specific numbers in my previous post. I will still be checking every so often to see if I can find a copy of,Martian Fluxx at least, for less than that. Family fluxx I have seen on Amazon for $14 so that one is not so bad. Martian Fluxx, however, I have yet to see at a price even close to the original price.

(edit: After I posted this I went and checked eBay and there are two copies of Martian Fluxx, one  for $70 and one for $50. Then I checked Amazon. There is one listing of Martian fluxx with "1 left in stock" for $38.75 and Family Fluxx on Amazon is $59.99. So one day I may get those two, but it certainly isn't going to be today.)

Definitely. Thanks for the heads up. Now I just need to hope they don't sell all 4 copies between now and the 20th.

We still have plenty of monster in print and plan to keep it in print for now.  Each time something runs out of stock, we make a call on whether to reprint or let it go out of print, but that won't be happening for awhile with Monster.

Thats good to hear. You really did manage to pull out a family favourite with this one. Perhaps you'll consider marketing it to the UK and Europe when the 'Target exclusive' is finished?

Hey folks, I have old versions of family fluxx, 10 bucks shipped in the U.S.

This is the version. I only have 6 left. Packaging in ok condition, they're sealed. So the pack is in great condition. Cards are color.  Let me know if you want one or two, and I'll set them aside, I take paypal, or money order. I will throw in looney labs stuff if I can.  :)

Sorry for the bad giant photo....   :P

The UK should be getting copies - the Target exclusive doesn't apply there. And thanks! I also think Andy and the rest of the team did a great job!

You got it!

Item the First: Michelle doesn't win for the reasons you gave.

Item the Second: Christine wins with the Traitor.  The old fan site had a FAQ document that answered this very question.  Essentially, since you win instead of someone else, what you have in front of you doesn't matter.

Item the Third: Christine keeps playing.  She doesn't necessarily play all of the cards because the rules could change (or the game could end) before she has a chance to play them all.  But the card resolution is effectively instantaneous, so she always has cards in hand for purposes of Play All.

1. The Creeper goes in front of you and you draw to replace.  Any time you draw a Creeper it goes in front of you, even if you're drawing a card that won't go in your hand.  So, for example, Dreams and Omens works that way, too.

2. If you have a doomed card, you can do it.  It doesn't matter what else you have.  Yes, Creepers go in front of you; see #1.

3. Put your Creepers in front of you and replace them (repeating as necessary) before anyone takes a turn.

4. One is removed.  Current player decides.  That is, the person who was current player when the New Rule was discarded.

5. You draw more cards, yes.

There's a Cthulhu Fluxx Launch Team coin on ebay for $14.99, Buy It Now.  Probably won't last long!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cthulhu-Fluxx-Turn-Token-Exclusive-Launch-Team-Promo-/321289420243?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

I am still seeking the (original) Stoner Fluxx promo card of Marlene.

Wow, I still have a few of those on hand that I'm still giving away. I wonder where they're at, if they're selling for 5.99 a pop!

I'm still looking for a flame thrower expansion for Zombie Fluxx, if anyone sees it for sale, please let me know.

IF you're still looking they are available here

http://www.njoy.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7991.

Thanks for that Brainy Singh, but I live in the UK and the cheapest posting option they have is coming in at over $88. I'm keen, but not that wealthy :(

Hmmm, well depending on how many you want, I'm sure the promos can be shipped in a small flat rate Priority mail envelop (which is about $26) or even First class mail (about $6 to $10) if you want. 

Thats what I was thinking, but there's no option on the site for this delivery method. I'll drop them a line and see what they suggest.

I'm only after one set for my own Zombi Fluxx, not out to supply the world. ;)

We will look into getting that feature fixed, but I have heard that some international users can't access some of the mailing features.

For only one Zombie Fluxx, I'm sure it can be mailed for around $7, but I'd recommend getting at least an additional unit just in case. let me know what I can do to help you with this.

I'd be more than happy to pay $7 postage, and you're correct, two sets are probably better than one, it never hurts to have a spare.

Are you affiliated with the site?

I remember this thread, though it's over a year old...Couldn't hurt to try though!

http://www.challengesgames.com/card-games/

http://looneylabs.ning.com/forum/topics/wooden-boxxes-available

If you could, please create an account at https://www.njoy.us/index.php?main_page=login so I could process the order for you.

I already have, using the email address njoyus.i8m@gishpuppy.com

Sorry that didn't work!  There was a Zombie boxx on eBay a few months ago that went for $24.50 (5 bids) so there is some hope.  I'll keep ya in mind and will reply here if I find Pandora!

Three links for anyone looking for the following:

BoardGameGeek expansion pack: http://boardgamegeekstore.com/products/fluxx-bgg-expansion

2013 Mammoth Gift Pack (eBay): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealed-Looney-Labs-Mammoth-Fun-Pack-Fluxx-Chrononauts-Choose-One-/151214508615?pt=UK_Toys_Games_Games&hash=item2335164a47

Cthulhu Fluxx Coin (eBay): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cthulhu-Fluxx-Launch-Team-My-Turn-Token-LooneyLabs-Promo-Enameled-Metal-Medal-/390751921274?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276 

Just went on the njoy site, and was going to order a copy of the Zombie Fluxx Flame-Thrower Pack, and the Fluxx 10th Anniversary Part Promo Pack, but even though the sub-total is only $4, the postage is still saying nearly $89 as I live in the UK.

I was just wondering if you, feenix1363, managed to get it sorted in the end. And if so, how?

Unfortunately not. Still on the hunt for a reasonable costing set.

...and there's the Horrifying Sculpture card I'm after (as mentioned in the OP) on ebay....with a first bid of $20.00!

Don't think I'm be bidding on that one!  But if YOU must, here's the link!  

(Notice it's for one card, but there are two in the picture!)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FLUXX-Cthulhu-Promo-Card-Horror-In-Clay-Horrifying-Sculpture-2-/321355406809?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

I do have an extra Horrifying Sculpture.  I was hoping to get one of the promos I need for it.

I need:

Unfortunately, due to a conflict with our website and USPS rates module, we are having issues providing International shipping rates properly.  For us to fix it, we found out we will have to rewrite a lot more code than expected.  So for the time being, I have created a new "item" that would add shipping of $7.99 (which is what I found would generally cost for shipping to most of Europe via first class envelop).  

So here's what you have to do:

Add the quantity of card(s) you want to the cart

Next add uspszmbint into your cart by typing it in the search field.

Upon checkout, just select store pickup as a method of shipping.  

This should allow you to create an order on the site and allow any of the staff member to complete the order.

IF enough people are interested and don't want to deal with the hassle, we can list a few of these on eBay, but will have to mark them up a little to cover the additional costs. 

I hope this helps you guys out.

Wait, what??

That's insane! I could buy 5 copies of Cthulhu Fluxx for that price!

Oh boy, whoever just spent the money on those just got ripped off big time, considering the horrifying sculpture card is back in the store for a mere $1. Good thing we didn't think about bidding on these cards.

Thanks for noticing and posting that!  I was just in there a few days ago and had not seen that, so they're on order now!  I assume you saw that the Pandora's Box card is in there as well!!  Not the box itself though, but hey, beggars can't be choosers.  

Thanxx for making these promos available again, Looney Labs!

Well I was searching the web the other day and came across these two rarities (unfortunately I'm lacking in the cash department otherwise I would scoop these up). The first is the now-hard-to-find Borders Bonus card (equivalent to the curiosity bonus card currently in the promo card section of the web store but with a nod to Borders book stores. RIP Borders). http://www.fishpond.com/Toys/Fluxx-Borders-Bonus-Promo-Game-Card-NEW-RULE-Works-with-All-Fluxx-Games-A-Looney-Labs/9999228322819

The other is almost impossible to find anymore (or rather I have never found it in any other time of searching), the Fluxx and Flowers set. http://www.fishpond.com/Toys/Flowers-Fluxx-Looney-Labs/9999157368782
Yes you are reading the price correctly, $87.39! wow! well if you are really willing to cough up the dough for this badboy, the pleasure shall be all yours. You never know when you'll find this again though, so act fast if you wish to have a rare piece of Fluxx history. 

That's all for now. I'll post another update if I find any other rare gems out there :) enjoy!

I hope the group can help as I think this is best thread to find out about some promo cards.

I was searching through my storage and I found sealed envelopes for the 2001, 2002, and 2004 promo card packs. 

Can anyone tell me what is inside them, so I don't have to open them?

Thanks.

can you be more specific?  I don't know what year things come out, but if you tell us what it looks like, what sort of packaging, what the fFront and back look like, we might be able to tell you what's inside.

I look forward to finding out what they are.  If they are ones I need and you are looking to get rid of them, let me know.  Maybe we can work something out.

http://www.wunderland.com/LooneyLabs/PromoCards/outofprint.html ;

This link may help with some of them.

Ryan

They are in card-size manilla envelopes with a white sticker with black letters over the opening.

They all say Looney Labs across the top, but the rest of the labels are different.  They say:

Promo Card Pack 2001 LOO-803

2002 Promo Card Pack LOO-803-02

2004 Promo Cards LOO-803-04

Any info on the cards inside would be much appreciated.

I pulled the text descriptions from the old web store pages...

LOO-803-01  ----> "We still have some of the promo cards we were handing out at Origins and GenCon in the summer of 2001. "Time Travel," a new goal (Time + the Rocket) for Fluxx. Also included is a MicroCatalog and a new action for Fluxx called "Time Vortex." Sorry, we are all out of the Jade Statue of Tirade."

LOO-803-02  ----> "This is a set of 4 leftover promo cards from the summer convention season of 2002. These include a Chrononauts Artifact called German Cake, an all-purpose Icehouse ad card, reference cards for IceTowers and Cosmic Coasters. Sorry, we are now out of the random Fluxx promo that used to be in this product"

LOO-803-04  ----> "This set contains leftovers of the 4 Chrononauts promos we were giving out at the summer trade shows of 2004. They are: The Really Fast Time Machine (Origins), The Teeny Tiny Time Machine (Gen-Con), and The Mating Pair of Pterodactyls (Dragon-Con), as well as Carl Sagan's Joint (for "Summer Festivals")."

Kristin:  Thanks for posting this.  I probably bought these 3 packs as a big Chrononauts fan.  It also explains why I have a promo Reverse Order card, so I must have bought them before you ran out of the Jade Statue and and the random Fluxx cards.  I probably put all the Chrononauts promos in my deck and bought an extra set of the cards before you incorporated them into the new edition.

Much appreciated. 

Just a quick update to this earlier post. I've managed to get a Flame Thrower for my copy of Zombie Fluxx.

See this post>> http://looneylabs.ning.com/forum/topics/a-looney-weekend

If anyone else is after the Flame Thrower expansion, get yourselves over to the Looney Labs Store. They have added the other returns to the store, and I'm sure they won't have that many, so get them while you can :D

You can only use this power once during your own turn.

The veto must be played straight after the "Play All" card is played.

That said, if I am playing with a group of fFriends, and someone realizes they meant to play something like this a moment ago, I'll probably let them play it.  Like say if I played my cards down very quickly and the other person was distracted getting a drink or talking to other people.

But I'm a nice person like that.

In my gaming group, we typically require that the Veto be played right after the Play All card.

I would agree that the Surprise player should have a reasonable amount of time to play the Surprise.  What's reasonable kind of depends on the group and the circumstances, though.

What counts as a reasonable amount of time? In my case the second player realised that player one had won the game and then decided they wanted to play the Surprise card to cancel out the winning moves(which a lot of players would play on, saying that they missed some ones moves or they were distracted)

I think having to play it straight away would stop any arguments but also means that players have to take a gamble when using surprise cards, whereas being able to play it towards the end of a players turn can add a little spice to the game and makes it harder for players to win, Thanks for the speedy replies everyone, they are much appreciated.

The key distinction is "enough time" vs. "considering the result."  There is no reasonable interpretation of the rules (IMHO) that means you get to say, "Oh, you won?  Well, I'm going to play this card to retroactively cancel a card you played several plays ago to rewind your win."

The "enough time" distinction comes to prevent someone from doing "PlayPlayPlay, Ha, I win, you didn't play your Surprise in time."  There shouldn't have to be a race to play the Surprise before the other player plays his next card.  Imagine you were playing with the rule that after every play, you stop to ask everyone, "Are you playing a Surprise?"  That doesn't work in practice because it would slow the game down too much, but that's the standard I would apply.  Would they have played the Surprise if you had stopped the game and asked them at the appropriate time?  If they had enough time to react to the card they're cancelling, and they didn't, they lose that ability.  If you played quickly and didn't give them enough time to react, then they should have an opportunity to react.  Even if you gave them additional information by playing too quickly and then saying, "I win."

The "it depends on circumstances" part comes into play because different groups have different standards for how much someone should be paying attention.  In Scott's group, "I was talking and wasn't paying attention" might be a valid excuse.  It probably wouldn't fly if you were playing a tournament or something.  Depending on where you are on that spectrum, you might bear some responsibility to (subtly) bring everyone's attention back to the game before you play your combination that lets you win.  Then you can honestly say, "You saw me play it and didn't stop it, and now it's too late."

Just thought of another one:

4.  Again with the Swap Colors Action: what happens if you use all of your Moves, then play the card, then play Move Faster?  Do you still get the additional Move, presumably with your new color?

1: Somewhere on this site, Andy said the Start Tile cannot be uprooted.

2: "Your hand" refers to the one you set aside, so it's the hand that would be shuffled.

3: Cannot help you with that, sorry.

4: Ooh, good question! I would like to know that myself.

On the rulesheet where it discusses bumping, it says 'you may bump your own pieces' so I interpret that as the 'bumper' makes the choice of where to bumped piece goes. Hopefully Andy will comment an official answer.

1) No, the Start Tile cannot be Uprooted or Swapped.

2) The hand of cards you set aside is your real hand, which is what gets shuffled.

3) I'm not sure I understand the difference. It works like you say, yes.

4) Interesting case. I guess in that case you'd move your new color.

5) The bumper determines where a piece gets bumped.

The difference in #3 is, "before you conduct all of your moves" means that you can perform some of your moves, but not necessarily all of them, before swapping colors.  If you remove the word "all" from the rule (so it says "before or after you conduct your moves"), then it means what is intended.

I know of no meta-rule that says your doom score must be positive.  Nega-doom seems acceptable.  However, I think an acceptable meta-rule to invoke is:  You should never draw zero cards (just in case it's draw 2 + doom, and doom is -2).

Also, Nega-Doom would be a great band name.

In my group, we play it that it's two separate draws. You always get to draw 2, but may not get to draw any additional cards if your doom points are zero or negative. I don't have the card in front of me, but there was something about the wording that made us decide this.

Hey that's a good question!

I think, because it is not that person's turn, they must play it right then as a "Steal a keeper" activity, if another is being played right now.  iIf there are no other keepers being played to steal, then nothing happens.

In the end, you are sort of giving the keeper (assuming there are any to give) to another person.

i would say the "during your turn" part is played.

"dreams and omens" says "before starting their next turn" but that means it IS their next turn.. just that, a card placed in front of them by "dreams and omens" has to be played before they draw any cards (which is normally how you would start a turn).

The Keeper goes to player B.

"Veto!" cancels "It's a Trap!", meaning "That's Mine!" takes effect.

just like Dave said, "that's mine!" still takes effect.

Thanks!

Sure!  Use them all if you like!

I have not yet put any other fFluxx cards fFrom other decks into my board game, but I am definitely thinking about it.  =)

Please let me know how that works out and what you had to do(if anything) to make the cards work. The only drawback is that the card backs are different colors

Hi Dave,

Kristin & I will be at GenCon - we'll be having some meetings but also playing games. We'll post on Facebook where we are at different times. We'll certainly be previewing our Fall release, Choose One and playing lots of Fluxx: The Board Game too.

Hope we see you there!

Amber

I hope to see you there, Amber!

Dave

quoting andrew looney:

"Camouflage is not cumulative; only one Keeper may be Camouflaged at a time."

source: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/530828/how-does-the-camouflage-card-work

Actually, it's July 26th, not June...  but we will be shipping a pallet of board games to Esdevium, our UK distributor - so you should find it in any stores in Europe that carry Fluxx, and any store that doesn't can get it for you...  just ask! 

Thanks Kristin for the speedy response. I meant July of course, just a slight disconnect between brain and fingers at times when I'm typing.

I'm at the UKGamesExpo next weekend so I'll ask around there and see if I can find a UK supplier. Thanks.

Wow, that is an awesome looking game!!  I was wondering how it played out.  What a really cool idea!

I've fired off an email to Esdevium (thanks for letting me know who to contact) asking for details and suppliers but haven't yet received a reply.

I also noticed that my local game shop have hosted Esdevium events in the past, so will be making contact with them to make sure they get the game in stock if they can.

OK, I'm officially 'gutted'. Despite ordering the demo set on the day of the announcement, it was only despatched from the warehouse on the 18th July, so typically it's not arrived on the day of release, or indeed the day after. I'm still awaiting notification from the Post Office that they have it. And when they do it'll take another day at least as they won't deliver it until the import duties and charges are paid. Eight days is simply not long enough to expect a delivery to get to a customer in the UK. There were people in the US posting that they already had the game, before mine was despatched.

Please, in future bear in mind that it takes longer for international orders than domestic and prioritize accordingly. I've now got to call in to my local friendly gamestore and buy another copy of the game for tomorrow nights demo game (that's how sure I'd been that it would be despatched in time). I know it's not a lot of money, but it's still money I thought I'd already budget for.

Hi there,

I'm sorry you weren't able to get your game in time. We do our best to have international launch kit orders ship in time for them to arrive pre-release date but ultimately we can't ship until the games are ready and with the production of our first board game things took a bit longer than we expected along the way. We also moved warehouses at the same time - I say this just to let you know we weren't sitting on the games.  I'm sorry for the inconvenience and I hope you are enjoying the board game! We'll do our best to ship the launch kits a bit earlier for the next release so you won't have this problem.

-Amber

10th September, and my delivery has just arrived. The delay was partly due to Post Office 'issues' in the US and a three day hold-up by the UK postal service whilst it cleared customs and awaited my payment, prior to releasing for delivery.

To anyone else considering buying from Looney Labs direct I say go for it. You'll get fantastic service, and if something should go wrong there really isn't a friendlier company to deal with.

Thanks to all concerned with my order, it may have taken a while, but it's a fantastic bundle of fun for family/friends or even strangers that look over your shoulder as you're playing. :)

I just got this in, and whipped up a rather quick and (I think) nice-looking solution to the "pegboard problem", using a punchout card frame from the set itself. I took pictures as I went, and cobbled it together into and Instructable for anyone else who may like the idea.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Fluxx-the-Board-Game-Pegboard-Hack/

Great hack, thanks for taking the time to let the rest of us know.

It's a shame that this part of the scoring system wasn't a little better designed, but this should sort it out.

My own idea/solution, going forward is to mount mine on a block of wood, after first marking and pre-drilling over-size holes to suit the peg positions. If I was a better carpenter than I am, I'd perhaps consider rebating the block first so that the card could 'drop in'.

Thanks and you're welcome! I'd love to see your wood block solution, since it's bound to look a lot more "top shelf". (One of the reasons I used cellotape instead of rubber cement is that I wanted to be able to undo the mod if another idea surfaced.)

Well, I finally got frustrated enough to do something about the peg board. I had to laminate three pieces of wood that I had left over from a DIY job and then carefully marked each hole on the peg board before drilling out each hole 'over-sized' and then pinning the card over the top.

I chose to use a fairly robust 'chunk' of wood, as it simply feels more substantial, but I also made sure that I could still fit the whole into the original box between plays.

I believe that you would discard your current hand of 3 cards & draw 3 more, since you MUST play Discard & Draw.

Discard & Draw only applies to your current hand, NOT the hand you've initially set aside.

Jackpot goes into the Discard Pile, like any other Action card that you use. After using Discard & Draw, you would

immediately discard your hand, pick up the 2 cards you've set aside with Draw 3, Play 2 of Them, play your pick of the 2nd

card of that action, then discard the leftover card. Only AFTER all that do you pick up your original hand & resume your

normal turn.

The way I play: The cards you draw for Jackpot go into your original hand, so you have 12 cards to discard and draw.  Then finish resolving Draw 3, Play 2 of them, then (if you didn't trash Play 3), continue playing cards from your hand.

i agree with jeff wolfe.

both draw 3 play 2 and draw 2 play 2 are temporary. these are not your hand.

so jackpot should go to your original hand 9 cards, totaling to 12.

and discard and draw affects your original hand, so you would be discarding 12 hands and replacing them.

this behavior is actually observable in fluxx mobile version, which andy looney took part in flushing out the rules.

if you have the mobile version of fluxx, when you play jackpot in draw 3 play 2 or draw 2 play 2, you would be adding 3 cards into your original hand. same goes to discard and draw.

but again, the fun thing about any looney labs games is the ability to impose your own house rules. so it is up to you how you want to play it.

I never knew the extra drawn cards go into your original hand. I always thought that they were discarded from your temporary hand. Guess you learn something new every day. :3

I regard the "Hand" to be a technical term which refers to a specific set of cards.  Anytime you are instructed to "set your hand aside" or "draw cards" the instructions are in reference to your actual hand of cards, and not any other spurious set of cards you are handling.

All the cards including the ones you drew for jackpot that should have gone directly into your hand.  But first you need to finish out your draw 3 play 2 and discard one first.  So you have 9 cards in your hand and one play left, add the jackpot, play your discard and draw....Does it say this ends your turn or do you have one play left from your hand?

Zero is definitely less than One.

One is the loneliest number, but Zero is the poorest.

simple - if you have the potato / larry when you meet the goal, you don't win.

so you have to make sure that when you play the goal, it moves to somewhere else and not you.

of course.... if "you also need a potato" is in play, you want the potato to move to you when the goal is changed.

Thanks.  That's what we were going with.  The argument was whether the win occurred in the interim.

Larry and The Potato move at the moment you play the new goal.  Which means if you have The potato, AND play a goal which otherwise makes you the winner, the potato moves away at the exact moment you play the goal.  You do not win.

If "you also need a potato", that is.

i personally don't like to play a game where it drags for hours, so i only in play 15 mins games.

in a 4 player game, that means 1 hour game at max.

I think it comes down to personal preference.  I play casual games on my mobile device because i like to be casual about it.  If I have to stop in the middle to go walk the dog or get back to work, that's just how it is.  You can drop your game with me if you want, no worries.  It's a casual game.

But some people fFeel very differently, I think.  And that's understandable too.

Speaking as a gamer who plays a lot of casual games (though not a casual gamer, oooooh no), my mindset has always been that casual = not stressful. That means that there isn't adrenaline pumping action adventure awesomeness, as in non-casual games.

That means that there isn't really a reason to get upset if someone takes a while with their turn when you're playing something so casual. Take, for instance, Draw Something. I've been playing it on and off for about two years (or so? since right after it came out). I've been playing it with the same people, both people I know and those I don't, the entire time. I'll put the game down and not pick it up for months at a time, and I'v never lost a play partner. I realize Fluxx isn't as simple nor as casual as Draw Something, but the idea is the same. Take your time if you want. Or wait by your phone and make a move as soon as it's your turn. Just enjoy it and have fun. That's the whole point. :)

I hate losing because of a time-out, and I like playing many games at once, so I prefer 21 day games. I can be away from the games for a couple of days and it won't matter, even if it ends up being a long game.

just like chess clock, the time is total time each person will have to complete his/her game, not per turn.

in 4 players game, a 1 hour game can drag to 4 hours long if everybody uses all his/her time.

when a player is required to do stuff (due to, say, hand limit) your timer will stop, and that player's timer will start ticking.

in the event a player is run out of time, he/she is forced to lose/forfeit.

The only Creepers you can have are those required to meet the Goal.  If you have any other Creepers, you don't win.

^ +1 to what jeff said.

so answering your question, yes, you have to get rid all the extra creepers.

What if Double Agenda is active, and each Goal requires a different Creeper?  Can you then win by simultaneously satisfying both Goals, or does each Creeper impede the other Goal?

I believe you can win either or both, by having the appropriate cards on the table.  if the goal conditions are:

(A and B) or (C and D)

and you have A and B on the table, then you win.  If you have C and D on the table, you win.  If you have A and B and C and D on the table, you win.  Any *other* creepers will prevent you fFrom winning.

Each Creeper impedes the other Goal.  Example: The Goals are Fly, Monkeys! and Wicked Witches.  You have Winged Monkeys, Wicked Witch of the West, and Wicked Witch of the East.  Wicked Witch of the East prevents you from winning with Fly, Monkeys!, and Winged Monkeys prevent you from winning with Wicked Witches.  So you don't win.

This is a hard question..

Technically you do not win.. Double agenda says either 'this' or 'that'..

'This' goal does not let you win due to _that_ creeper..

'That' goal does not let you win due to _this_ creeper..

Double agenda says 'Not win' or 'Not win' = 'Not win'..

But to me personally, I would say you win.. Simply because it is a feat on its own to have both goals meeting their needs.

I see a lot of support here for making that a house rule.

Hi!  your text appears very wide on my monitor, so I copied you and quoted it all, so it can be read a little easier by me.

I've recently acquired the star-fluxx game and we have since played some very interesting rounds without any problems interpreting the rules, but yesterday we stumbled into two, somewhat related, problems and i would love to get some input/opinions/clarifications on that

1)

In play was a Keeper Limit 1 [->...at the end of your turn], Player A has 1 Keeper and the Cute Fuzzy Alien Creature [->Move to the next player at the end of your turn]. Now he ends his turn. In which order do those happen?

• Keeper Limit first -> Discard one Keeper, he chooses Alien Creature which goes to the top of the draw pile, next player draws alien creature
  
  
• Move first -> Next player already has Alien Creature in front of him, so he will draw another card first.

(In this case we had Draw 1 / Play 5, and none of us had any cards on their hands, which means the one drawn card was the card to play)

2)

This one was a more ...heated... discussion last night :D

• In Play: Keeper Limit 3 [...when your turn ends], Goal which requires X and Y.
• Player A has 4 Keeper during his turn: X, Teleportchamber (imitating Y), Z+Creeper, W
• Player B has Y in front of him.
• Player A has X and Y (via teleport because its his turn) in front of him, but cant win because of the creeeper.

Now, his turn ends, he has to discard one keeper. He chooses Y+Creeper, now no longer having a creeper in front of him. Since he no longer has a creeper, does he win because it is still his turn (thus having X and Y because of Teleportchamber), or is his turn already over (we are in a transition-state, where it is no players turn, so to speak) and his Chamber ceases to function until his next turn?  

Rules state `on your turn` as 'Draw, Play, Keeper Limit, Hand Limit' which would indicate, that each `when your turn ends`-Action is still your turn, which means he would win.

 Thanks for your help everybody and thanks for the great game @LooneyLabs 

The fFirst issue is, I believe, played in whatever order the player wishes to fFulfil it, as long as all conditions are met.  I may be wrong, but I believe that is the best way.

The second issue is actually much, much easier to sort out!  It doesn't have to be your turn fFor you to win.  Therefore Player A handily wins, despite the turn being over!

First of, Sorry for the format, i copied the text into the edit-field and missed the little pre-tag, so the text was so messed up :/

1) ok. This way also seems to fit the style of most of the other rules in the game, so i will handle it that way from now on, unless i read something else :)

2) In general it doesnt have to be your turn to win, if you have all the requirements in front of you. But in this case PLayer A has Keeper X and the teleportchamber. The teleportchamber can only imitate a Keeper of another player, if it is your turn. So he only has Keeper X and Y while it is his turn. But he can't win, because he has a creeper, preventing him from winning. If his turn has ended, he no longer has Keeper Y (via the Teleportchamber). I hope this clarifies my question :)

It's the Holographic Projection that imitates another card, not the Teleport Chamber.  But "only during your turn."  According to the Keeper Limit cards, they work "[e]xcept during your turn."  They are mutually exclusive.  If a Keeper Limit applies, the Holographic Projection cannot be active.

Ah yes, my mistake, on the specifics of the Projector.  I should keep a fFew decks of cards right at my desk, to look up the details right away, instead of answering fFrom memory and gut.

What Jeff says below is completely right.  In this case, if it is not your turn, the projector turns off and you discard.  One doesn't happen slightly before the other, they happen at the same time.

Ah dammit, i messed up those two cards. Sorry again :/ (right know i feel like one of those people who post without thinking :p)

And now i see the slight change in phrasing on the two cards. The Keeper Limit is not "When your turn ends" but "when your turn is over", that really clarifies it, thanks for your help :)
(but i think the rule-page is a bit misleading on that one, stating `on your turn` with step 3 `keeper limit` and step 4 as `hand limit`)

I just checked the Keeper-Limit-Card at home (Star-Fluxx-Edition) and, unlike the Hand Limit which states `when your turn is over`, it states "...as long as you discard to X when your turn ends". Am i putting to much emphasis on the last sentence and its rather an explanation, than a specification of timing?

As the Handlimit is except during your turn and when your turn is over i would expect the Keeper-Limit behaving the same way, despite the different phrasing, which resolves my question. (Still leaving me with kind of a bad feeling, cause of the Rule-Sheet-Section ^^)

Yes, Creepers are always played immediately, and attached when you get the appropriate  Keeper.

You play it right as you get it, it never gets to your hand.  And if you can not attach it to anything, it will attach to the first keeper you play after it that it can be attached to.

I like it!  Very much in the spirit of the Game, I think.  =)

I like this one myself, looks very workable. Well done.

I'd read it as you could only play 'it's a trap' against someone taking a keeper, not against an exchange. Could be wrong though. But thats the way I read it.

Yes that's the way I read it as well. But I could counter the argument that I am stealing away their valuable keeper that will take away their win condition or give me a win condition. 

I could probably stroll into a store and take a pair of new sneakers and replace them with another new pair of sneakers of a different brand and equal value or close to equal value that someone had bought for me and the store would most likely still accuse me of stealing.  

Confusing.. 

Duckie

well.. this happened on review by table top..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oj6C1CBXPvc#t=875s

i honestly don't know the answer.. it would be good if andy could rectify the real intention of this surprise card..

i would like to say, whenever you lose a keeper (via forced exchange or stolen), the surprise should work.. but who knows..

i guess, you can always put a house rule prior hand x]

I noticed this thread as a popped in to the fan club here, so I consulted with Andy on this. 

After some discussion, we decided that Exchanging Keepers does not count as "stealing" a Keeper.   You cannot then reverse the action against your opponent.  (What would that mean "and instead you [Exchange] one of their Keepers"? - that doesn't really make sense.)  So we concluded that Exchange is unstopped by It's A Trap!

What It's A Trap! protects you against is Steal A Keeper, AND any of those annoying other Keepers, like the Captain and the Scientist who can steal certain Keepers at will.  One of my favorite things is to put out a juicy Crew Member and wait for the person with the Captain to try to take it, at which point, instead... It's A Trap! and I get to steal their Captain instead.

-Alison

Thanks for the clarification.

One of the best things about Fluxx to me is that it can be open to interpretation, but it's great to hear from the games designer what he had in mind as well.

John

Thank you very much! That helped settle a friendly dispute.

Duckie

Thanks for posting this! Although I don't like that I lost my Holographic Projector and got a not-so-cute fuzzy alien creature in it's place. :'-(

It's good to know the answer and I'm glad I found this forum.

i am 100% sure you cannot play the out-of-turn portion when it is your turn..

however, you can use the surprise's out-of-turn as a reaction to someone's action.

i have read somewhere here, Andrew said something about canceling a surprise w/ a surprise is considered meta-out-of-turn.

but to make it slightly more official, take a look at this..

http://www.looneylabs.com/lit/rules/oz-fluxx-rules

go to page 2, 5th question from the bottom..

the excerpt from that is: "In general, you can't use the out-of-turn portion of a Surprise during your turn..."

i think that's official enough, since it comes from one of the rule sheet.

Aha, thanks for the useful info from Oz Fluxx rules about Surprises!

It might be a bit clearer to say "As a Play" (or "As an Action") rather than "During your turn".

1) If if doesn't say you can't use it the turn you play it, then my group allows it to be used right away.

2) If a Keeper ability doesn't say it counts as a play, we don't treat it as such.

3) It doesn't say once per turn, so again, it would be legal. But it would annoy the other players, and what gamer would do that? Your house rule is a good idea, but maybe Andy or Kristin can chime in with a solution. Me, I'd not allow that guy back over to play again anytime soon.

The card doesn't say "at the start of your turn" and therefore can be used anytime during your turn.

Also the card doesn't say "this counts as a play" and therefore can be used anytime during your turn.

Lastly, the card doesn't specify a limit, and therefore -- as above so below -- can be used anytime during your turn.

This isn't really an infinite loop.  An infinite loop goes on and on and on, without limit.  This technique is limited by the number of creepers you have before you, and therefore is fFunctionally no more or less powerful than a standard "Move all Creepers" operation which exists in other fFluxxes.  This is appropriately harder to accomplish in this edition, since Cthulhu fFluxx is all about doom and creepiness and stuff.  But a perfectly acceptable use of the evil book, I'd say.

All that aside, House Rules rule!  Your house rule is pretty good, since suddenly catching all the creepers would really suck.  Creepers are hard to shake, it's true.  And having the ability to purge all of them immediately is kind of strong.  Once per turn sounds like a good house rule.  It's not a tournament rule (Although I have seen tournaments use House Rules as much as anyone else!), but it is a good idea.

Here's how I would read it:

1:  Not before the start of your turn, but you would have to have plays remaining once it is on the table in order to use the ability.  So, in a Play 1 situation, playing the Necrinomicon (by setting it on the table) would end your turn and you'd have to wait until your next turn to use the ability.  In a play 2 situation, you could play the Necrinomicon as your first play and then use it's ability before your second play.... However, when using it's ability, you have to put it back into your hand again.  Since it is not on the table, it would count as another play to put it back on the table.

2.  No.  It says "during your turn" and says nothing about counting as a play.  So, moving a creeper would not count as a play.  But again, the Necrinomicon goes back into your hand.  Setting it down again WOULD count as a play.

3.  The only time it could cause an infinite loop would be if the situation is "Play All."  Because you have to pick the Necrinomicon up after moving a creeper.  To put it back down again, you would need an additional play.

So, say it's play 3.  Let's say I have all 8 creepers in Cthulhu Fluxx.  I also have the Necrinomicon in hand.

Play 1:  Set Necrinomicon down and move one creeper to another player.  Doing so, I have to pick the Necrinomicon back up.

Play 2:  Set Necrinomicon down and move another creeper to another player.  Again, doing so, I have to pick the Necrinomicon back up.

Play 3:  Set Necrinomicon down.  My turn would then be over.

Now, if it were "Play All," I could do the above continuously until I got rid of all my creepers and, since the Necrinomicon doesn't say I have to move one of MY creepers, I could, in theory, continue this forever, just moving one creeper every time from player to player.  Dunno why anyone would do that, but in theory, they could.

Since, in your situation, you said that the person had the Necrinomicon on the table and then played "Play All," I would have to say that he used the card and it's ability in a perfectly legal manner.

-Bill

1.  If you the draw rule changes during your turn, and you have not yet drawn that number of cards then you would need to draw any additional cards to get to the new draw rule.

2.  When inflation is played you would need to draw an additional card, unless the draw rule had previously been reduced below the current rule.  (If rule is draw 3, and you play Inflation, draw additional card.  If rule was draw 3 but had been discarded and is now draw 1, and you play inflation, you have drawn 3 and rule is draw 2 so you wouldn't draw)

3.  Poor bonus affects the draw phase for the player with the fewest keepers.  That person draws an additional card during their draw phase.

The Time Portal says that after you put the card you selected into your hand, "your turn ends immediately."  That overrides Play All.  So with Time Traveler in play, the card you select and Time Portal go into your hand, but then your turn is over.

No Kinko's in your area?

How about searching online for existing images (e.g., promo card or advertising graphics on the LL site)?

What about doing some measurements and using GIMP?

...

Just sayin'... there's a lot faster ways to get your project going without crowd-sourcing.

Not familiar with Kinko's - maybe it's just a US thing.

I've tried searching online but haven't found the keepers I need.

Isn't GIMP just editing software, which would mean I still needed the images...

Kinkos - I guess the UK doesn't have copy services--oh, wait; it does.

Online Images - Google is a *powerful* thing, no?

GIMP

So...

With the the first link and a hop on a bus, I'd have been done in about an hour.

With the second and third links, and the Helvetica and Times common fonts, I'd have been done in maybe three hours.

"Community" is one thing. Joining just to get others to do work for you is another.

Have a great weekend.

I'm sorry if asking for help with a project offends you, but I thought that if someone here could easily send me the images I needed, I would ask. 

Once again, I have already done Google searches and it hasn't produced the images I need.

Thanks very much for the link to an imagine editing program, but I don't need an image editing program, I need the images of the keepers listed above.

So as fun as arguing with you is, if you don't want to help me out, that's fine, but I don't know why you feel the need to attack me. Certainly not my idea of "community"...

Getting back on topic, I'm not entirely sure what the rules are on scanning card art.  I mean, you don't seem to be trying to pirate the thing.  I guess I'm not really sure about what you are trying to do.

Also, which version of the art do you want?  The older black and white art, or the new color art?  Probably the color, but it's good to ask.

Colour please. The cards would be for personal use only and I have purchased a full deck of Fluxx cards, a couple of expansions and a few promo cards as well!

I wasn't arguing, I was offering you ways to handle your project yourself, without relying on others to take time out to do 90% of it for you. You are "arguing," by taking the defensive and trying to shift the onus on me for not doing all and only what you requested.

Had you been on this forum for more than 1 day before asking Chris Wilkerson to give you scans (and one week before asking the rest of us to do so) you'd know that there's a strong DIY vibe throughout the Looney fan base. The week you've spent asking and waiting is WAY more than enough time to build all of that art by scratch, using measurements of existing cards; or to find a copy service in York (you're welcome for the help with that--I'd use Architect Shop; they seem cool) and pay them for their time to scan them for you--Wait... you do have actual LL products to use for reference, right?

Maybe I got up on the wrong side of the bed today, but that just strikes me as lazy.

That said, I hope someone *who has already got those scans and can send them with five mouse clicks* comes along and fulfills your precise wishes.

I don't see why I should have to defend myself, but as it happens I've spent a good deal of time editing photo images I want to use, designing the rest of the cards, and printing and play-testing draft copies. All I need now is the Keeper art, and I was wondering if anyone - like Chris - either had the images already scanned in or could take a few minutes to scan and send them (an outrageous idea I know). I wasn't aware there were time limits before people could ask for help.

I have existing Fluxx cards but no (free) access to a scanner to scan them in. Funnily enough I haven't just been sitting and waiting at my computer for a week.

Frankly I don't care if you think I'm lazy or not - winning David Artman's approval is not a big goal in my life. Either help me or don't (your herculean effort at Googling aside), if you don't want to then fine, I don't see why you feel the need to moralise!

Okay.

I don't have the cards scanned, and don't know when I'll be able to get around to it.  So you may actually be better served doing it yourself.  But, I should have some amount of time in the next fFew days to get to it.

Ok, thanks. No worries if you can't

For purposes of Ungoals, we've been playing with the net Doom count on the table, regardless of player. That really seems to create a sufficient hazard. Things would be even worse without it.

This is not an authoritative reply.

Yeah, I understand that the net doom count is what you look at when looking to satisy ungoals.

My question really revolved around the Anti-Doom cards and how they effect the Doom count.  The only thing the manual says is that "They negate Doom points when totaling up Doom Counts."

Here's an example of what I'm asking:

Say the current Ungoal is "The Call Of Cthulhu."  That means, the game ends witout a winner if the total Doom count is 6 or more (incuding Cthulhu) and Cthulhu is in play.

You have Necronomicon (2 Doom points) and Innsmouth (2 Doom points) in play.  I have Cthulhu (3 Doom points) and The Cat (1 Anti-Doom) in play.

Combined, there would be 7 Doom points and Cthulhu in play, which satisfies the Ungoal.

My question is, with The Cat being an Anti-Doom, does this:

A:  Knock 1 Doom point off of Cthulhu (the only card with Doom on it that I have in play) meaning combined, we'd still have 6 Doom points and still satisfy the Ungoal

B:  Completely negate Cthulhu, meaning we only count your Doom points (which would be 4)

C:  Completely negate ALL Doom points on the table, basically meaning that, if anyone has an Anti-Doom on the table, no Ungoal that requires Doom points can be met.

We've been playing it as A, that one Anti-Doom negates one point of Doom.  I don't know if that's the correct way to play, though.

Another question would be is that, if the correct answer is B, does an Anti-Doom negate ALL of a player's Doom points in play, or can it just negate one card.  So, if I had The Cat, Cthulhu and Innsmouth, does The cat negate all 5 of my Doom points, or does it only negate all of the Doom points on one, meaning I'd have to essentially choose which one to negate...?

I understand how the Doom points are totaled when seeing if an Ungoal is met, I'm just really wondering how the Anti-Doom cards effect the count when they are in play.  Hopefully, this all makes sense.

-Bill

I am (reasonably) certain that The Cat will negate only 1 point of doom, putting the total at 6. 

There's a very nice youtube vid fFor Cthulhu Fluxx, here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL0LdLTKtxc but it doesn't seem to clarify the matter any more, either.

I mean, you're basically asking fFor an explicit statement that says "Anti-doom negates exactly one point of doom" or something, right?  I'm not Andy Looney, but I am just about 99% sure that this is the intention here.

My evidence in fFavor of this is:

• The point system as points, and not simply as a count of individual cards
• Anti-Doom points are not things you can cancel out by attaching directly to a specific card
• Seven Doom Points would be very hard to achieve if you could pick which Doomed card it negates.
• Seven Doom Points would be much much harder to get to if Anti-Doom cancelled out all doom!  Almost entirely unlikely, I think.

I don't have my copy at hand at the moment, but I'm certain you are making it way too complicated.  Just add all the Doom points in play, and subtract the Anti-Doom points in play for your current total.  

Net = Total Doom icons minus Total Anti-Doom icons

For Anti-Doom, the rules sheet says, "This icon is used to label items with a calming effect on the forces of Doom.  As such, they negate Doom Points when totaling up Doom Counts."

- If it negated all the Doom, there would be no "totaling up Doom Counts," it would just negate all Doom.

- If it negated all Doom on a card, it would reference a card and not "Doom Points."

The only interpretation that makes sense is that one Anti-Doom icon negates one Doom Point.

I've been playing it that one anti-doom count negates one doom count, the way you've been playing (option A).

On a side note, during a game with the "draw 2 + doom count" rule in effect, I had no doom and an anti-doom, so effectively I had a doom count of -1, and therefore could draw only 1 card.  I'm awaiting a game where this rule is in effect and someone has -3 doom count, in which case they would get to draw -1.  (Discard a card before playing?)

I don't think that the Anti-Doom works that way...  I'm pretty sure that you have to have Doom points to cancel out for the Anti-Doom to really do anything.

Kinda like how on the "Trash Something" card, if nobody has any keepers or creepers, nothing happems by playing it.  If you don't have any Doom Points to negate, Anti-Doom isn't a factor.

Then again, I'm not 100% sure on this and it could be an interesting way to play, if you so desired.

-Bill

You are right.  Playing any card counts as a play. 

Dring my wife's turn, she

1. drew a card,

2. played a keeper and then

3. played "Take Another Turn."

1 and 2 are fine, but her turn ends there.  

You could point out to her the text at the top of the card: "To play this card, do whatever it says, then place it on the discard pile." 

The only time playing a card does not count towards one of the allowed Plays specified on the rules cards is if it dictated by another card.  For example, "Draw 2 and Use 'Em" specifies that you set your hand aside, draw 2 cards and play them in any order.  Playing those 2 cards does not count towards the total of allowed plays, being part of the Action card being resolved.

Yep, I was 99.99% sure I was right...  Wife wasn't buying it, so she asked me to find out for sure.

-Bill

Those who've got it and played, can you answer some questions?

1. Is it pass-and-play, network multiplayer, both, neither?
2. Which version of Fluxx?
3. Any alternate/additional cards in it?

Thanks!

David

It's single player as well as network, but the network seems confusing. I think it's like you take a turn, complete, then wait for the others to take their turns and they have so much time to complete their turn. Seems silly. I'd like a pass-and-play model.

It looks like normal fluxx with some different cards in it. I have not played every version, so I couldn't tell you which ones they come from. I did like the "Play All but 1" rule. :)

My only complaint? No Creepers! How lame is that.

It's based on the mass market version of Fluxx that's sold in Target stores.

I don't know why I'm posting on this thread, because I don't even own a mobile device to play game apps. But.

As I understand it, the limited OS support is a function of the mobile developer/distributor Playdek. They aspire to enter the android market at some point, but they've done their initial development with iOS, and they have a good track record with migrating games from tabletop to digital formats. So I think Looney Labs probably made a good call here, and if the android users can keep their panties orthogonal, all should be well.

Wholeheartedly agree with the original poster. Imagine my disappointment when I discovered it wasn't available for android. Looking forward to the android version. :(

I just wanted to say I'm very happy with Fluxx, I think it has a good price point, for it's first release they did  very good beta testing.

I have had a great time playing it, I also like how often we would see the Looneys playing online as well.

I think everyone did a great job and it's a great start for Looney Labs first application, I look forward to seeing more games and platforms for the games.

The game works surprisingly well for the phone for it being a game with ever changing rules. The $2 price tag is also hard to beat, and mobile Fluxx is a good introduction for people new to the game and Looney Labs.

Although I do have an Iphone and was able to get the game, i must agree that it would be good to make the game available for Android Users.

I haven't got a chance to play online yet, but the AI's play well for a fast, fun, on the go game.

I'm excited to see what other games Looney Labs may come out with for mobile devices. An exclusive game for mobile devices only by Looney Labs would be interesting... Thinking about the potential now, a mobile game of 'Are You the Werewolf' would be interesting to play either online or with friends

It has a pass-and-play option.

Asynchronous play (what you're calling "network") is also possible.  Naturally, players take turns, and naturally, you have to wait for them to do so.  A timer is provided so that players can't leave other players hanging indefinitely, and if you don't want to have to wait a long time between turns, be sure to play games with a short timer.  You can choose games as short as 15 min, or as long as 28 days.

The AI is not bad, and you can play with AI among the players in a pass & play if you want.  If a player runs out of time in an asynchronous game, they forfeit, and cannot get credit for a win, though their hand and keepers etc, will be taken over by the AI so that the rest of the players can finish the game.

Plays really well on the iPad, but would be even better if it was on Android so I didn't have to steal the wifes gear to play :)

A big aspect of mobile programming is hardware. There are currently exactly six models of iPhone and three iPads, and all use the same OS, but in different versions.

There are literally thousands of Android devices.

This is a both a boon and a drawback. You can find Android phones in any price range. But not all apps are going to work correctly on all Android phones. Some phones just have funny hardware, while some have modified Android operating systems, while still others are rooted and hacked to look and act like an iPhone. There are tablets, phones, and computers that all run on Android. You can see where writing an app that runs smoothly on all those different devices might get daunting.

All that said, I have an Android phone and an Android tablet. I want Fluxx for Android. :'(

Is there any more news as to whether or not Fluxx will be coming to Android devices?

Not a single Playdek app has been ported to Android.  I'm going to have to say that I highly doubt they are even working on it, and I hope Looney Labs can get the rights back and award them to a developer that will do something with them.  I would suggest Tiny Rebel Games, they've done a lovely job with Doctor Who:Legacy, but frankly, I don't care WHO, just give them to somebody who will DO.

The claim that there are thousands of Android devices is complete BS.  The vast majority of those devices have similar, if not the same, specs (are there a thousand different screen sizes?  No, of course not).  You don't program for the device, you program for the API.  All that needs to happen is give the rights to a reputable company, not an Apple-exclusive shop.

This was my introduction to Fluxx, great game that we, as a family, can't seem to get enough of now.

I actually have a question!

If Jordan had no creeper, who would win?! Jordan? or Will?

I mean, Jordan has holographic, and he played the goal..

But Will has both the correct keepers to win, the moment goal is played!

So.... WHO WOULD WIN?! It may just be... a tie?!!

oh, this has been answered previously by andy!

http://looneylabs.ning.com/xn/detail/6320919:Comment:64172

holographic takes priority in winning a game. so in this instance, jordan would win~

I just inquired about getting just one type of Blanxx myself for a project I've started to expand my Star Fluxx deck. Looney Labs used to offer blank cards by category but apparently it became impractical, so they switched to the variety pack. 

I could see it going either way.  My initial thought was to agree with you -- the way its written implies that those extra cards drawn are not part of your hand.  But looking at Cosmic Instructions again, and seeing that it requires playing any Ungoal and drawing a replacement card, I think the intention is that it makes Ungoals act like Creepers in how they are played.  So this is a good question to get word from the designers about.

I think the 3 cards in your hand would count as your hand while the Draw 3 Play 2 is resolved, so the UnGoal should be played.  That's the way I'd play it without thinking twice about it.  I think the other interpretation involves some counterintuitive rules lawyering.

To prevent headaches, I recommend leaving the Traitor out if the Cthulhu deck.

If you really insist on using it, he should not be able to win if an Ungoal ends the game.

I would say No, the Traitor does not steal from an Ungoal.  It says, " if another player meets the Goal, you win instead of them."  Darkness or Sho-goth are not players in the game.

Thanks guys.

Another question regarding The Traitor....

If you have the traitor, and someone else meets the current goal, but you also have another Creeper that prevents you from winning, does The Traitor still steal the win from the other player, or does no one win and the game continues?

The way we've played that is, the person that meets that goal in that instance would win the game, provided that they themselves don't have any creepers.  The Traitor gets "canceled out" if the person that has The Traitor has other creepers on the table.

So, if you meet the goal, with no creepers on the table (unless they are needed to meet the goal) and I have The Traitor on the table, I would win, as the Traitor would steal the win from you.  But, if I have other creepers on the table, you would win, as the ther creepers I have prevent the Traitor from stealing the win.

Here's the scenarios:

1:  You meet the goal, with no additional creeper(s).  I have The Traitor, with no additional creeper(s):  I win.

2:  You meet the goal, with no additional creeper(s).  I have The Traitor, with additional creeper(s):  You win.

3:   You meet the goal, with additional creeper(s).  I have The Traitor, with additional creeper(s):  Game continues.

4:  You meet the goal, with additional creeper(s).  I have The Traitor, with no additional creeper(s):  Game continues.

In instance 2, my additional creeper(s) would prevent The Traitor from stealing the win, so you win.

In instance 3, your creeper(s) prevent you from getting the win, so there is no win for The Traitor to steal.

Instance 4 I could see going either with the game continuing, or me winning, due to having The Traitor with no additional creeper(s).  The reason we play it as "game continues" is because, even though you have met the goal, your creeper(s) prevent you from winning, meaning that there is no win yet to steal, like in instance 3.

In short, the ONLY way The Traitor steals a win is if player 1 would ordinarily win (meaning no additional creepers), while player 2 has The Traitor on the table, with no other creepers.

Again, this is just the way that we have played with The Traitor in those instances.  I'm not 100% sure that it's the correct way, but it makes the most sense to our group.

-Bill

According to this FAQ on the old rabbit wiki, you can win with the Traitor even if you have other Creepers in front of you.

So, based on that, we were playing it wrong and I cost myself a win on Christmas...  Figures...  :)

Having "Even if you have other creepers" on The Traitor (like on the Insane Nightmares Goal in Cthulhu Fluxx) would have helped, IMO.

Their explanation for why is a bit confusing, too, but I also assume that they likely know more than I do on the matter.

-Bill

I'm getting errors while trying to access the link as well, but I did check this when Jeff posted his reply and I can confirm that it did indeed say that you win with The Traitor, even if you do have other creepers in front of you.

Thinking about it, it makes sense, because you're not meeting the goal, your opponent is.  So you having creepers really wouldn't matter.  Now, if your opponent had creepers while meeting the goal, while you had the traitor, I would think in that situation, the game would continue, as there is no win to steal.

-Bill

Yes, yes, and yes. 

(If it were otherwise, the cards would have said so. :-)

An investigator is still an investigator, even if they are doomed.

A creepy investigator may not be doing his job very well, but he's still an investigator, eh.

Yes, investigators still count:

- First, the Creepers say you cannot win if you have them, and many of them are attached to an Investigator, but they do not say that the Investigator stops being an Investigator, or that it is hidden or removed from the table. 

- Second, the Ungoal says "fewer than 3 Investigators are in play".  It does not say "Investigators without a Creeper attached", so Keepers in play with an attached Creeper are still in play.

Just as I thought. Thanks folks!

"Doom" is also good.  Someone once used the word, "the" and that was interesting.  When playing with my kids I like to use the word "Dad."

Interesting, we have used Turn to great effect as well.  Rule is also a good one.  I think Drink is a nice choice, because you don't think of saying it all the time.

I do sort of wonder what happens if you use the word Win.  If you do win the game, and announce it, do you instead immediately not Win?  I think yeah, that's how it works.  Because you would only choose the the word win to spite someone announcing their win.  Evil.  =)

I would say that's what would happen.  So instead of saying "I win", say "I won", or "I'm the winner", "I meet the Goal", etc.

No, the win occurs before "I win" is spoken.  My opinion.

The word "win" would depend on when you said it.

If you said it after you (or someone else) played the card that let you win, then it would have no effect.  The game ends (with you as the winner) as soon as you meet the Goal.  You are not required to announce it, so announcing your win would come after you've actually won.  As a practical matter, someone has to call attention to the victory conditions so everyone knows to stop playing, but I've played many games where someone said, "You win!" and that ended the game just as surely as someone saying, "I win."

If you announce your win (with the forbidden word) before or during the play of the winning card, I think you'd have a problem.  In those cases (before, during), I think you'd get the Creeper before you completed your win, so you wouldn't actually win.

By the way, I was in a game where we played with the word "Draw" as the forbidden word.

We've used the words "Card"....thats the worst word so far for us. "draw" was pretty bad too :)

I agree with Jeff's more thorough analysis.  I was responding off the cuff and didn't think it through as much. :)

I've used "The" to great effect. Highly recommended!

Oh I completely agree with the mechanics described, certainly.  No doubt.

But the idea of announcing your win and immediately losing seems pretty fFunny to me.

And, to a certain extent, this seems to touch on a lingering conversation about when your turn ends.  Does your turn end immediately after you play your last card, OR does your turn end when the next player plays their fFirst card?  In games where you have a "It's My Turn" marker (such as the awesome challenge coins), you can easily say your turn is not yet over so long as you have the turn marker.  If it is your turn still, then you have not won.

This is entirely academic of course.

I think, if I were playing a game, and Hastur's word was "Win," and I just won and then dumbly said the word, and then someone called me out as not winning ... I think I would not argue and would keep playing.

Maybe I'm suggesting a very obscure house rule, but I think it seems more fFun to lose if you announce your win.  Which reminds me of Andy's fFunny tumblr post on the subject of announcing your win.

I believe the rules state that as soon as the cards in play meet the victory condition, then the game is over. Which negates the requirement to announce your win, and would also negate another card being played to counter it. Such as when a new Goal comes into play, if the correct cards are there for someone to win, they do. Even if you were going to play another goal card to replace it immediately after.

I've played it a few times and the one that always seems to get people to trigger is Rule. We've also used draw, play, Doom with various effects.

"of"

Completely inhibits normal communication. Everyone contemplates doom and madness. Lovely.

"Play" makes for an interesting time.

You sir, are evil.  Just saying...

Yes you have.

and yes, it IS evil...

and cruel...

But, oh so much fun.  :)

I was just going to post that! Yes, "play" is a good one.

"Creeper" is a good one

“THIS GAME IS MINE.”  (preferably in a Vadery or BrianBlessedish sort of voice)

I think it's intended to be a convention exclusive, so possibly never...

(I call discrimination against non-US Techs who can't afford the plane fare! :) )

fFoam Brain was giving out a very exclusive card at Origins, this year, as well.

I mean, it's really cool, when you go to a convention, and get a super rare thing.  The environment is just so awesome, all this stuff happening, and then you get super duper loot!!

But, yeah, it's sort of a bummer to those who cannot get these things.  Usually there is a copy available on a website, or the like, which you can print out on sticker paper and slap on your own card.

Maybe we should suggest these rare cards as lab tech promos.  (Actually, I think I just did)  =)

Thanks!  

I didn't really think it would be PAC-only, since IIRC in the past the only promo cards that were not sold online were the Andy Looney Keeper cards that you can only get by asking him for an autograph.

Yay! I can't wait to see(and purchase) the new promo.

Got mine! Very very pleased to get my hands on it. Ready to see how it affects the gameplay.

Are they really sold out already?  :(

Oh no!  If I'd known they were going to sell out that fast I'd have ordered immediately.  

Were most of them purchased by a few people ordering 10 each?  If so, in the future I hope they set the order limit at 5 or 3 or even 1, for small-stock items like this, to let more fans enjoy them.  

Will they be reprinted?

Finally,

Are there any of you who ordered extra copies who'd be willing to sell one of them? 

Ditto.

I missed the announcement that they were available to buy! So I'm in the market for one as well!

I am afraid that I fail on two counts here. First, I'm one of those sneaky people who ordered the maximum of 10. Second, I am impervious to all pleas as far as sending out 'spare' copies goes. I use quotation marks because none are spare. 1 went into my demo deck, leaving 9. I have no idea how many made it to the UK, so they will be prizes for Fluxxers who couldn't manage the transatlantic journey.

Sorry. Virtual cake available.

I snagged one from eBay for $6.

OK, so now a question: is there a penalty if I don't have a card in my hand to discard? Is the sculpture discarded from play?

Good question as I was curious if you had to discard just once when played, or once for every turn in play?

Yeah, I was wondering the same... I feel like it may be once each turn tho

I seem to have missed the opportunity to grab one of these cards as well.  I would've loved to have been at PAX to get one but alas, couldn't afford the plane fare.

Hi everyone!

I'm relatively new to the wacky and wonderful world of Fluxx [having only recently acquired Cthulhu, Star, Monster and Monty Python flavors], and unfortunately it would seem that I missed out on this awesome Promo card. I grabbed the Hastur Promo from the Looney Labs store the other day [along with a bunch of other Promos such as The Traitor, the Android Doctor for Star Fluxx, Talk Like A Martian, the Sir Not Appearing Promo and Castle Set for Python, and several more], but I can't for the life of me find Horror In Clay despite searching ebay, Amazon and every other corner of the internet I could think of. This is severely bumming me out, because I am a HUGE fan of HP Lovecraft AND a bit of a completionist. Sigh.

If anyone can help me get my hands on a copy of the Horror In Clay Promo Card, I would sincerely appreciate it! Thanks.

I am *SO* onboard with this.  fFer reals!

This is the first time I've pledged to a Kickstarter project, so I am new to all this.  Will the delux edition only be available to those who pledge at $40+, or will it be on sale in your store while supplies last? 

Bryan,

From what I understand, it sounds like this Deluxe Edition of Are You a Werewolf? is being produced as a limited edition for only those who back the Kickstarter project and will not be available for sale on the Looney Labs website. Kristin can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that is the case. So if you want this Deluxe version of the game with the special necklace viewers, this is the only way to get them... by backing the Kickstarter project at the $40 level or higher. I hope that answers your question and I hope that I understood it correctly. I believe that they said that the necklace viewers are expensive to manufacture and so the only way that it makes sense for them to make them is to use Kickstarter so that they can get the funding upfront instead of having to invest the money and have product sitting on shelves until they can sell it.

Yes, everything Dallan says here is correct.

If you ever want a copy of this game, you need to make an account on Kickstarter and fund your first project!  

... and you need to do it before the project closes on Sept 23rd 

Thanks!  I'm so excited to finally be able to make this for you guys - all hail Kickstarter! 

Budgeting about $40 for this come the next paycheck! I played a version at a con with simple playing cards, so I'm all kinds of looking forward to a dedicated deck!

Of course I supported this Kickstarter, I'm totally a Kickstarter addict!

I like the play of this card, if I'm reading it correctly. Once you have this creeper, on your turn it will devour a Keeper or Creeper in play and transfer to the player who owned that card devoured, and then devour itself when there are no remaining Keepers or Creepers on the board?

I do have a few questions, though: What is the timing? Beginning of turn/end of turn/player's choice? If this player is the only one with Keepers or Creepers, do they keep the Werewolf? Nothing that couldn't be house ruled, this is a cool game play element.

Just like other "during your turn" New Rules, I'm sure the Werewolf discarding can happen at any point during your turn.  And if you get rid of one of your own cards, you as owner get to keep the Werewolf. 

Wow, I just noticed that it says "NO ONE can win if you have this." Yikes!

I also see that the Werewolf action is not optional.  There is no "you may".  The Werewolf *must* devour during its owner's turn, or perish from hunger.

I have a question of my own: can the owner of the Werewolf use its ability to discard the Werewolf itself?  Based on what's written I would say yes, but I'm not sure that is the intent. 

Do you want the Werewolf card to be a strategic thing, where you can discard it immediately or at least as soon as it is not useful?  Or is it supposed to be a pain that is difficult to eliminate?  If the latter, you may want to change its words to something like

During your turn, discard a Keeper or Creeper in play (but not this card), and move this card to its owner.

or

During your turn, discard a Keeper or different Creeper in play, and move this Creeper to its owner.

or

During your turn, discard a Keeper or Creeper in play, and move this to its owner. You can't discard the Werewolf this way, unless no other targets exist.

 or whatever.

Yeah, it needs a rewrite. It's supposed to be a "roving killer" card, 'killing itself' at the last (or 'starving'?). It doesn't make sense (nor is it in keeping with AYAW) to have it eliminate itself prior to the elimination of all others.

OK... here is Andy's latest rewrite of the text on this card..

Is this crisply written now?

Also... check out our new stretch reward!

http://www.looneylabs.com/time-running-out

Looks good! 

I'm glad the stretch goal page pointed out you can get 2 more copies of the Creeper if you add $10 to the pledge.  Is that the only way it works, or can you add more multiples of $5 to get more copies? 

You can add as many $5 extra copies you want at any pledge level.  

"Backers at any reward level can add an extra $5 to their pledge for each additional copy of the promo card. When we send out backer surveys, we'll ask how many extra copies of the card you've paid for." 

And if we make it to the $25,000 stretch goal - you get 2 cards for each extra $5 pledged. 

Thanks, Kristin.  I guess I didn't read the FAQ question that gave that answer.

I just backed this project hard. If you're only backing for the Fluxx card, let me tell you Werewolf is an exceptionally fun game. Plus, faith in this new version of the game will be rewarded with a second Fluxx card and we are OH SO CLOSE!

Echoing Larry. I've played Werewolf with simple, mundane, playing cards and it was a blast. Can hardly wait to play it with the viewers. If you haven't backed at a level where you'll get the game, I strongly suggest you do so!

You'll have fun with it. You get to howl.

Only about 6 hours left to go!   

If only half of the current Kickstarter backers just added on another set of the Fluxx promo cards, the project would hit the $30,000 stretch goal and a new Goal card would be added to the Werewolf Creeper/Seer Keeper set.

I really want that Goal card!  So, I just added $15 to my pledge for three more sets.

Congratulations on meeting the original goal as well as the first stretch reward!  

The second stretch reward was almost reached, but not quite.  Does that mean that you are obligated by Kickstarter to not make the Howling at the Moon Goal cards, or is that something you could decide to do after all? 

Thanks for giving us "Howl At The Moon" and "Angry Mob"! I shall eagerly await them!

I know! I love the way the Mob works! Maybe they kill the werewolf, maybe they act just like the werewolf!

Thanks, indeed!

That is awesome news!

The Angry Mob card sounds great!  It adds another method of getting rid of the Traitor card when it is in play (which sometimes can be a little difficult to do!)

I guess it's good to have an angry mob if there is a traitor among you...  

I haven't come across that combination yet, however if I had in a game your reasoning is how I would take it. The Twist of Fate card is a response to the playing of the Keeper not the playing of Even Death May Die. Because Even Death May Die states that you must immediately play the card, and not something like "place the card" I would say it's a valid steal.

Take any Action or investigator Keeper you wish, and immediately play it.

...

When another player plays a Keeper, it goes in front of you instead of them, possibly preventing their victory.

Plain as day, to me--makes me wonder how someone could even (rationally) argue otherwise.

I do not think Fluxx is meant to be played with a super-high degree of rigor (e.g., "I win the INSTANT that the Keeper hits the table, and so you don't have time to play Twist"). It might even have a rule (somewhere, in some edition) that expressly says that victory isn't declared until all other players decline to play cards in reaction to the card that caused the victory (e.g., any 'cancel' or 'take' effects).

Yes, you played this correctly. Even though the "play" involved was an automatic play caused by an Action, it still becomes a play of a Keeper that can be grabbed with a Twist of Fate.

Thanks for playing!

Thanks for all the responses to this...I got the exact information I was looking for.

I've played the D3P2 situation as any other drawing - if you draw a creeper, place it face up before you and draw a replacement. It doesn't count as one of the 3.

For EG1 we've played it as the creeper just goes immediately face up in front of the player that received it. The player who drew the Creeper as part of the EG1 isn't forced to keep it and re-draw one to distribute.

Hehe... have you read the OzFluxx rules?

http://www.looneylabs.com/sites/default/files/literature/OzFluxx-Rules.pdf

In the Creeper section of those rules, the example is the D3P2 situation, and it plays as Wes said.

As for EG1--scroll down to page 2 in that PDF to get to the FAQ and read. Your question is directly answered.

Hm, so I've been doing the EG1 wrong. I took the time to read all the rules for the Cthulhu Fluxx before I played it. Looks like I should have done that for the other decks too!

I hadn't read the rules for Oz Fluxx: I'd only skimmed through them as I was already very familiar with Fluxx rules, and wanted to check for updates.

I guess I'll be checking out the rules a bit closer when I get newer versions!

Thanks for the info: it's always good to have a definitive answer rather than relying on player interpretation! :-)

Well that's kinda disappointing.  Oh well, I guess.  It probably does sort of get the idea of the thing out there a little bit more, in some way, which is probably okay in the end.

I wouldn't mind buying the Oz Fluxx coin from eBay since I missed the Launch Kit here :-(

Here's the direct link to their product page:

http://www.thedragonshorde.com/?page_id=175

They seem to have both large and small of both types of Boxxes!

What is the difference between the small and the large.  I have a Zombie box, but am not sure which size I have.  I would not mind getting the Pandora box as well.

the small box is about the same size as the old tuckboxes. the large box is about double the size. its good if you have fluxx with all the promos.

Thanks Lucy!

Well they aren't going to sell any from their website.  There is some kind of glitch that causes a checkout error with Paypal.

I've been trying to buy a large Pandora box, to no avail.

I found this thread several days ago while trying to find a source for the boxes. I ended up calling the store and the guy I talked to said they were working on it. He also said they had several of both varieties of large box - I didn't ask about the smaller ones. Anyway, as of yesterday the site works. Hope that helps others who were looking for them.

Just tried to check how much the shipping would be for the Netherlands. $0.00

That obviously can't be right. I'm afraid they don't ship to Europe :-(

I don't have answers to your questions, because I haven't played Zombie Fluxx. I'm really a Cthulhu Fluxx guy.

But you might also consider Martian Fluxx!

Martians : Humans :: Humans : Zombies

That fFirst issue is a yes.  When the goal changes fFrom (No Goal) to (Any Goal), Larry moves.

Your second question is a bit more complex, and I'm not sure.  I would play it where I get to choose which Zombies are tranquilized.  My initial thought is, you either have the thing and zombies are alright, or you don't and they're not.  But I see what you mean: if they are tranquilized, that seems to suggest they might not be able to work towards your goal, either.

I'm going to go with, I get to pick and choose which zombies are affected, as appropriate to meet the goal.

Thanks Matthew, I'm definitely going to check out Martian Fluxx.

Right, it is a change from nothing to something, so Larry moves. That was my initial thought.

I'll echo Scott by saying an absolute Yes to your first question. Changing from No Goal to a Goal is a change in goal.

Regarding the Sonic Tranquilizer, since it says "CAN ignore" it means you don't HAVE to ignore the zombies. Consider it as if you the player are choosing to activate the Sonic Tranquilizer or to not activate it, depending on the results you want.

I don't have the card in front of me, so I'll double check it later just to be sure.

And like Matthew said - try the Martian Fluxx, and Cthulu when it comes out. Or just try a new one each month, there's not a one that isn't worth it.

Yeah, Larry is definitely moving on a change from No Goal to a New Goal. Makes the most sense to me.

As far as the Sonic Tranquilizer, it's making more sense in my head. I see it as a device that helps you win with zombies but prevents you from losing with zombies. So anything zombies would do to help you win, ST helps, and anything zombies would do to prevent you from winning/make you lose, ST stops. Makes a lot more sense.

Thanks for the comments Matthew, Scott, and Wes. Looking forward to being a part of this looney community!

Casey

Well, I haven't fFound them to be that sticky, myself.  They don't shuffle quite as well, sure, but that doesn't seem to be a grave problem.  Mostly the issue I have is that when you draw it off the top of the deck, you are more likely to draw another card stuck to it.  Then everyone knows what card you drew.  Again, that doesn't seem to be a critical fFail, but it's a little annoying.

I think these peel-of promo cards are a little better than the old perforated cut out cards they used to give out.  Those never came out quite right, and were just as likely to tear.

With the Oz, and since then with the Cthulu, I didn't remove the plastic film. Like Scott said, it stuck out a bit from the other cards but only at first. Through play the film gradually lost its stickiness. In a few hours of play with the Cthulu (at our demo) Hastur card we saw the same thing. Both are still glossier than the rest of the pack and that may never change, but it's been my experience that you really have to try to find its position in the deck.

And also like Scott said, this is head and shoulders above the perforated promo cards that had to be cut from the backing board. (I'll never be able to use my Traitor promo card thanks to a bad tear on the back).

Wes, I have a spare Traitor. I sent you a friend request/message so I can get your address and send it to you.

Thx for the replies ev'one. Looks like my group and I just dismissed the promos too soon. Perhaps I can try sliding the face side against various cloths or even carpet to buff down the stickiness. haha

Dave you rock out loud. I've messaged you. Thank you very much!

Eventually they pick up enough dust and ambient particles to slide against the other cards. It's just an issue on initial deployment.

I laminate all my cards-so I don't have this problem.

I would have to say that yes, you can.  The rule states that it is actually a free action, which means that it does not actually count as one of your plays durring your turn, but, it also immediatelly ends your turn.

I can see it more as both a way to get more cards for your next turn as well as a way to get rid of goals that you don't want to play.

The reason I don't see it that way is because it says before your final play, and once you get to your final play, you're in the midst of it, and no longer before it. I see the purpose as getting more cards for your next turn, even though personally I've used it to dump more cards than I get from the act, but between the text and the name, it seems like you're supposed to be cutting your turn short, and trading your hand for a new one on your final play is effectively taking a full turn. I suppose this is how it ended up in contention in the first place, but it wasn't until playing with someone who was younger and had spent all day prior playing Magic.

The ability you get from Get On With It is not a Play.  It's a free action.  If you have Play 3 in effect and you Get On With It after Playing two cards, it does indeed happen between your second and third Play (and then it ends your turn so you never get your third Play).

I think it would help to consider that each players turn is made up of actions, not plays.  The Play 3 limit only counts against the number of cards that a player plays from their hand, not other actions that they perform, such as placing creepers.  Drawing more cards because of a change in the draw rules does not count as a play, nor does drawing the initial draw, although they are definatelly actions that the player takes during their turn.  As well, a player does have to discard down to limits, which is, in effect, one of the actions that they are required to take, but again, not a play.  This may help in distinguishing between actions and plays.

That's basically an Illuminati core rule, rolled into Fluxx--I like it at lot, at first blush. :)

Only potential downside I see is that good players can actually recall all/most Goal cards. Thus, they can watch Keepers in play and player actions, and have good guesses as to in-hand Goals waiting to be sprung. That goes bye-bye, with customized, always-secret goals.

But you have fun, so no biggie....

Am I the only one who thinks Cthulhuguru is groovier as a single word?

You know, like when the Cthulhuguru performs Shub-niggurath-puja until he attains Shivadarshana?

Or perhaps he's a Werewolf fan, and it should be K'thoo-loup-garou?

I do enjoy having you in my circle of people I know.   =)

Thanks! Back at ya.

So far I am 1 for 2. Enjoying the guess the goal.

I noticed that Guru Baker made the second one significantly tougher than the first, by using all actual Lovecraft titles for the distractors. I wonder if he'll be able to keep ramping up the difficulty.

Agh! I blew it today: I'm only 2 for 3 now. So much for my sense of invincible expertise. I'm glad to see from today's goal that the whole HPL oeuvre is in play -- not just the tentacular spectaculars.

Today's easy one brought me to 2 and 2.

Glad to hear that the game has come together well; I'm really looking forward to it. (In the meanwhile, I'm amusing myself playing Cthulhu with Looney Pyramids.)

I saw a picture of the box for a protoype in the Wunderland blog:

I've been no use to promote Oz Fluxx, but you can count on me to lend visible support to Looney Yog-Sothtothery!

I had a chance to play this at MidSouthCon a few weeks ago and agree it's great. The Doom mechanism is a perfect fit and cool addition. The Surprise Cultist, however, has to go (I'm kidding. I had the game I was in won until a later rule interpretation judged that card trumped my win and so victory went to a more experienced player. So I grinningly grouse. But if my situation shows up in the final rules I'll be thrilled).

Been poking around online and came across the box for the upcoming game and thought I'd share it with you all. The artwork looks fantastic!

Anticipation for this game is driving me... insane..

Looks awesome.

I just sighted a promo card among the Game Tech Supplies: Hastur the Unspeakable. No art for it or further info shown yet, though.

The poster is also out there now.

http://www.looneylabs.com/lit/poster/cthulhu-fluxx-poster

I gotta say...  I'm enjoying watching you guys find the bits and pieces of things as I get them up online  :)  

The sign-up sheet poster says a June release but this says August. Here's hoping for an early release!

Yeah, it looks like Cthulhu might arrive earlier than first projected. "The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."

Unrelated to the game but that reminded me of this. 

Quick update, Keith Baker just made a post on his blog. Doesn't look like we'll all be going insane until August.

Yes, I suppose that August formal launch date is firm for regular retail. But IIRC the Oz Fluxx demo kits went on sale to the Demo Team in advance of the launch per se. So maybe those of us with itchy tentacles can still scratch earlier.

Here's hoping for that. Got my fingers crossed that they come out with another challenge coin for this version. The Oz Fluxx one was rad as heck.

Sorry, the release date is August 17th.  Thanks for pointing out the wrong date on that sign-up sheet - no idea how  that slipped by.  It's fixed now! 

The challenge coin for the Cthulhu Fluxx Launch Team is going to be AWESOME - Check It Out!

WOO HOO!!!!

Iä! Iä, iä!

Want! Making arraignments for a Demo at a local hobby shop in July/August/ soon as feasible. :-)

Found some more info about the Hastur the Unspeakable card. Looks like it could make for some very interesting games.

We can't help it, I've been searching the web for updates every day since it's announcement.

Great. It looks like it will work with any deck, too.

From Unaussprechlichen Kulten (transmitting an earlier variant text of what became the Tao Te Ching):

Those who know, don't talk.
They gibber incoherently.
Those who talk, don't know.
Lucky bastards.

Please let us know if we should mint you a coin: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N3VNHS5

Just pre-ordered the kit! I am so excited for this FLUXX version. My bookclub read from the Complete Works of H.P. Lovecraft just last month so I'll be promoting the game over there! Can't wait to have Cthulhu in my hands... hehehehe :D

Can we request multiple coins without multiple demo copies? Pre-ordering even?  I've filled out the survey and I'll get the demo kit ordered, probably next week when I get my new card, otherwise I'll have to sneak it on the wife's card again.;)

The biggest problem I have with my Oz challenge coin is that my boys, especially the youngest, really like to handle it.  And not give it back to dad.:)  I wouldn't mind getting them their own coins.

Nope, the only way to get the coin is to buy the kit - as the coin says right on it, that coin in your pocket proves you are a member of the launch team that is helping us promote the game... 

Hopefully your kids will be happy to keep playing with your Oz Fluxx coin, once you have your new Cthulhu one?  Sorry, but we want to keep the coins meaning special, so we don't want to sell the coins on their own. 

We will be selling general Game Tech coins and Starship Captain coins soon...  I really need to get those up online for sale!  

Great review and gets me excited to try this one out myself.

Yeah - I would love to get more of the coins as well --- on a side note - is it possible to order more of the playing maps, or will there be any generic playing maps available?  This is a great way of teaching new players the game a little bit faster.

Indeed. I'd like to keep the set-coin by the way side(displayed during demos) whilst the game tech coin can be flipped about between players.

I have been in such anticipation , I now stare at my corners all nite long looking for the new hand to drawn me in ....mawhahahaha   ... Ok but seriously cannot wait for my copy to arrive to share with others

Cthulhu Fluxx demo Kit??  When?  My playgroup is bugging the carp outta me to play the new Fluxx!!

I thought they were supposed to be out by July 9th (today), the latest???

Thanks!

Super Excited!!

Thom

Thom:  some of the kits started shipping out on Friday, more will ship today - you should have your kit soon! 

Fantastic! Time to reserve space at the Hobby Shop/Game Store for a weekend demo!

Yes!

Mine arrived moments ago. The Play-mat is very vibrant and the art is stellar. The coin is horrible...in all the ways it should be! Not going to crack open the game itself untill tomorrow, but I can forsee an amazing demo coming!

Mine arrived today! I am all kinds of stoked and looking forward to the demo I'm co-hosting Saturday!

AND I literally jumped at noticing the 3rd to last FAQ about The Cultist vs The Secret Cultist and victory! That was the very question that came up during the demo game I played at MidSouthCon (and lost due to the Secret Cultist).

Plus the coin is absolutely gorgeous!

That FAQ item was pertinent to my second-ever game with the deck; my daughter trumped my Cultist with her Secret Cultist.

We also tried playing with the Traitor promo card, but that just raised too many questions, mainly: Can the traitor win from an un-goal if the Cultist and/or Secret Cultist are in play? I think the Traitor card is cool, but it's hopelessly confusing with my favorite flavors of Fluxx: Martian and Cthulhu.

I just got my kit last night... will be taking it to a local game store in Northern NJ to demo to anyone interested, and then setting up with that store to do something more official in the next few weeks. I love the artwork in this set!

Ruth,

Where in North NJ?  I'm in the Paramus area.  I was planning on hitting the Gamer's Gambit and maybe Game On this weekend.

Thom