I think that the Fibonacci sequence would not work for Zendo. Don't all koans have to exist separately from everything else in time and space except for the flat surface they sit on? You can't make a rule which says that a koan has to have X number of pieces pointing at the koan to its left, for example. Therefore, to say that this koan fits a number sequence which has been built from previous koans' pip counts seems to violate one of the basic tenets of Zendo. Just my 1,1,2 cents worth... Kevin D. Lintz Fort Worth, TX -----Original Message----- From: icehouse-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icehouse-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of icehouse-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:56 PM To: icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Icehouse Digest, Vol 46, Issue 26 Send Icehouse mailing list submissions to icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.looneylabs.com/mailman/listinfo/icehouse or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to icehouse-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at icehouse-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Icehouse digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Playing with Pyramids suggestions (Angi Long) 2. Re: Zendo rules (Karl von Laudermann) 3. Re: Zendo rules (David Artman) 4. Re: Zendo rules (Christopher Hickman) 5. Re: Zendo rules (Benjamin Kleber) 6. Re: Zendo rules (Daniel W. Johnson) 7. Re: Zendo rules (Nick Lamicela) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:52:24 -0800 From: Angi Long <Angi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Playing with Pyramids suggestions To: Icehouse Discussion List <icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <d76caf2e0903080752j6fa7c06awe12b97fbdeb1ef3f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, that reminds me... I have a friend who loves Zendo, but hasn't been able to get a set of pyramids yet. So she made a Zendo set out of her son's Legos! Works great. -- Angi On Dec 18, 2008 12:06 PM, "Christopher Hickman" <tophu@xxxxxxx> wrote: On Thursday, December 18, 2008, at 02:59PM, "Graveyard Greg" < graveyardgreg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wro... Use Cherrios or Lego 1x1 bricks. _______________________________________________ Icehouse mailing list Icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.looneylabs.com/pipermail/icehouse/attachments/20090308/73abec9 5/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:37:07 -0400 From: Karl von Laudermann <karlvonl@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Zendo rules To: Icehouse Discussion List <icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <ECEAAA2E-9D58-4DB2-ACE5-89841FEE254B@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I find that "A koan has the Buddha nature if it consists entirely of pieces." comes up more often than I'd like. :-) But, I tried to strike a good balance between practicality and variety. If you get an unusable rule, either tweak it or try again. On Mar 7, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Dale Sheldon wrote: > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009, Karl von Laudermann wrote: > >> By the way, this seems like a good time to once again plug the >> Zendomizer: >> http://www.geocities.com/~karlvonl/Zendomizer.html > > I know you have that warning about possible illogical rules, but... > > "A koan has the Buddha nature if it contains no grounded pieces." > > ...this made me laugh. > > (Almost as much as the first rule I got, "A koan has the Buddha > nature if all of its medium pieces are touching a weird piece, and > it consists entirely of flat pieces.") > > > -- > Dale Sheldon > dales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > _______________________________________________ > Icehouse mailing list > Icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.looneylabs.com/mailman/listinfo/icehouse -- Karl von Laudermann karlvonl@xxxxxxx http://www.geocities.com/~karlvonl/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:45:00 -0400 From: David Artman <david.artman@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Zendo rules To: Icehouse Discussion List <icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <b93db5820903080945k5b058612s9dd5255f727cff80@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "Adds up to a number in the Fibonacci Sequence" got one of my friends banned as Master for the better part of a year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.looneylabs.com/pipermail/icehouse/attachments/20090308/99ce637 e/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:23:59 -0400 From: Christopher Hickman <tophu@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Zendo rules To: Icehouse Discussion List <icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <164130923325717041399690154611423323810-Webmail@xxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sunday, March 08, 2009, at 12:45PM, "David Artman" <david.artman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >"Adds up to a number in the Fibonacci Sequence" got one of my friends banned >as Master for the better part of a year. It depends on the group you have. "A koan has the Buddha nature if and only if it forms a line where the sequentially ordered pip counts of individual groups of touching pieces along that line is a palindrome" took only four guessing stones in my group. This is because my brother and I are constantly pointing out numerical palindromes to each other, such as palindromic odometer readings, so several brains at the table were already trained to spot palindromic sequences. I'd bet the Fibonacci rule would have been "an easy one" for a bunch of math geeks obsessed with Fibonacci sequences. Topher ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:29:39 -0500 From: Benjamin Kleber <benjamin.kleber@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Zendo rules To: Icehouse Discussion List <icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <fd14893a0903081029o1600841cgdd0e16df33ee6a5d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wow. I held a Zendo party where about half the rules had to do with fibonacci numbers specific to pieces of certain sizes, colors, or orientations. The "worst" koan that day - the only one we couldn't get - was an add-and-subtract rule where the two sides of an "equation" had to equal each other. And that rule was created by two co-masters who appeared to each come up with the same rule independantly, communicate and agree on it non-verbally in about two seconds... slightly terrifying. Benjamin On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:45 AM, David Artman <david.artman@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: > "Adds up to a number in the Fibonacci Sequence" got one of my friends > banned as Master for the better part of a year. > > _______________________________________________ > Icehouse mailing list > Icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.looneylabs.com/mailman/listinfo/icehouse > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.looneylabs.com/pipermail/icehouse/attachments/20090308/3d15abd 7/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:13:08 -0400 From: "Daniel W. Johnson" <panoptes@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Zendo rules To: Icehouse Discussion List <icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <a05210600c5d9e3c65f0b@[10.0.1.198]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:37 -0400 2009-03-08, Karl von Laudermann wrote: >I find that "A koan has the Buddha nature if it consists entirely of >pieces." comes up more often than I'd like. :-) I just saw it produce the inverse of that: "A koan has the Buddha nature if it contains no pieces." Well, this is why the rules of Zendo require starting with one black-stone koan and one white-stone koan. And its rule "A koan has the Buddha nature if it consists entirely of weird pieces." should be very easy to guess. -- Daniel W. Johnson panoptes@xxxxxxxxxx http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/ 039 53 36 N / 086 11 55 W ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:55:44 -0400 From: Nick Lamicela <nupanick@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Zendo rules To: Icehouse Discussion List <icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <dfd0998c0903081655sd940d9fm9b307ecae2f991c8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Once I used the rule "AKHTBN Iff the total pip count is a prime number." The other players gave up eventually and asked me to tell them, so they could punish me if it was an insanely hard one. When I told them a player pointed to several koans containing a single small pyramid. They are all marked as false, and *everyone* knows that 1 is a prime number because it's only factors are itself and 1. I guess that was the wrong group to use a math rule with. ~nupanick (or other appropriate name) =================== Guvf VF zl jvggl fvtangher. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Daniel W. Johnson <panoptes@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > At 12:37 -0400 2009-03-08, Karl von Laudermann wrote: > >> I find that "A koan has the Buddha nature if it consists entirely of >> pieces." comes up more often than I'd like. :-) >> > > I just saw it produce the inverse of that: "A koan has the Buddha nature if > it contains no pieces." Well, this is why the rules of Zendo require > starting with one black-stone koan and one white-stone koan. > > And its rule "A koan has the Buddha nature if it consists entirely of weird > pieces." should be very easy to guess. > -- > Daniel W. Johnson > panoptes@xxxxxxxxxx > http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/<http://members.iquest.net/%7Epanoptes/> > 039 53 36 N / 086 11 55 W > _______________________________________________ > Icehouse mailing list > Icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.looneylabs.com/mailman/listinfo/icehouse > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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