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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Adjusted some cards (A Ross)
2. RE: Adjusted some cards (Laurie Menke)
3. RE: Re: Adjusted some cards (A Ross)
4. Re: Adjusted some cards (Daniel W. Johnson)
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:46:08 -0700
From: "A Ross" <adross@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Fluxx] Adjusted some cards
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[mailto:fluxx-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Laurie Menke
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:17 AM
To: Fluxx Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Fluxx] Adjusted some cards
> I'm not sure the Fluxx experience needs streamlining.
> I sort of enjoy the little discussions that break out if there's confusion
about a card...I would call THAT the Fluxx experience myself. :o)
Well, as they say, YMMV.
The group I play with is all about clarity and accuracy - if there's any
confusion about how a card or rule works, we stop the game until we can
agree on the "most correct" meaning, then we usually write down the meaning
for future reference until it's confirmed (or denied) by the game's author
and the card or rule is changed to reflect the author's ruling.
> > Everybody Gets 1 - Set your hand aside. Draw (number of players) x 1
cards. Put 1 of these cards into each player's hand. Pick up your hand.
> But if what you're going for is total clarity in order to avoid such
discussions, then you may want to state on Everybody Gets 1 whether or not
you get to look at the cards and/or choose who gets which card.
OK, how about if I word it like this?
Everybody Gets 1 - Set your hand aside. Draw (number of players) x 1 cards,
look at them, and put 1 of these cards into each player's hand. Pick up your
hand.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:55:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Laurie Menke <laurie_menke@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Fluxx] Adjusted some cards
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Sounds good to me! I wish you and your group many
happy Fluxx games. :o)
Laurie
--- A Ross <adross@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fluxx-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:fluxx-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Laurie Menke
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:17 AM
> To: Fluxx Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Fluxx] Adjusted some cards
>
> > I'm not sure the Fluxx experience needs
> streamlining.
> > I sort of enjoy the little discussions that break
> out if there's confusion
> about a card...I would call THAT the Fluxx
> experience myself. :o)
>
> Well, as they say, YMMV.
> The group I play with is all about clarity and
> accuracy - if there's any
> confusion about how a card or rule works, we stop
> the game until we can
> agree on the "most correct" meaning, then we usually
> write down the meaning
> for future reference until it's confirmed (or
> denied) by the game's author
> and the card or rule is changed to reflect the
> author's ruling.
>
> > > Everybody Gets 1 - Set your hand aside. Draw
> (number of players) x 1
> cards. Put 1 of these cards into each player's hand.
> Pick up your hand.
>
> > But if what you're going for is total clarity in
> order to avoid such
> discussions, then you may want to state on Everybody
> Gets 1 whether or not
> you get to look at the cards and/or choose who gets
> which card.
>
> OK, how about if I word it like this?
> Everybody Gets 1 - Set your hand aside. Draw (number
> of players) x 1 cards,
> look at them, and put 1 of these cards into each
> player's hand. Pick up your
> hand.
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:42:06 -0700
From: "A Ross" <adross@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Fluxx] Re: Adjusted some cards
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[mailto:fluxx-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dim Bulb
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:00 PM
To: fluxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Fluxx] Re: Adjusted some cards
> > Everybody Gets 1 - Set your hand aside. Draw (number of players) x 1
cards. Put 1 of these cards into each player's hand. Pick up your hand.
> It's difficult to write this card in a way that interacts properly with
X=X+1.... (My personal preference would be to reword it such that it's not
affected by X=X+1 at all; I think this would allow for both simpler wording
and better gameplay. But that's another subject.)
I agree that it would work better that way, but if I changed it so that it's
not affected by X=X+1 then it would be mechanically different.
> > Trash a Keeper - If there are any Keepers in play, discard one of them.
> > Trash a New Rule - If there are any New Rules in play, discard one of
them.
> These need to say "choose and discard", for clarity.
I'm using the assumption that if a player is discarding a card then that
player gets to choose which one (unless it's a "random" card), just as
"choose" is missing from the Hand Limits and Keeper Limits.
> > _Hand_Limit_ Zero - If it isn't your turn, you cannot have any cards in
your hand - discard your hand now. During your turn, you may ignore the Hand
Limit, as long as you discard your hand at the end of your turn.
> I believe that this is supposed to be worded in such a way that it *is*
affected by X=X+1. On the current card it's ambiguous (has this been
corrected on v3.1? I don't have it yet), but I'm inclined to resolve the
inconsistency in favor of the card title (which uses "0") and by analogy
with the other Hand Limit cards. (I've also heard of players who use decks
containing both "Hand Limit 0" and "Hand Limit Zero", with precisely this
distinction....)
I had a very tough time figuring out how Hand Limit 0 and X=X+1 fit
together.
In my deck I had decided to go with the meaning of "having an empty hand"
rather than "having a hand of 0 cards".
Hopefully Andy can clarify this for us.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:45:00 -0500
From: "Daniel W. Johnson" <panoptes@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Fluxx] Re: Adjusted some cards
To: Fluxx Discussion List <fluxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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At 19:00 -0500 2005-11-21, Dim Bulb wrote:
> > Everybody Gets 1 - Set your hand aside. Draw (number of players) x 1 cards.
>> Put 1 of these cards into each player's hand. Pick up your hand.
>
>In addition to Laurie's comments on this one, I personally feel that
>the "(number of players)" notation is *less* streamlined than the
>way the card is currently worded, though that's a judgement call of
>course. It's difficult to write this card in a way that interacts
>properly with X=X+1.... (My personal preference would be to reword
>it such that it's not affected by X=X+1 at all; I think this would
>allow for both simpler wording and better gameplay. But that's
>another subject.)
So, you would return it to the v2 wording?
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