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Re: [Icehouse] [Zendo] Rule clarification [rule against external references]

  • FromDavid Artman <david.artman@xxxxxxxxx>
  • DateSat, 30 Jul 2011 01:55:33 -0400

Damn, Sam! Gimme a hit of that!


No, I'm not, really.

but anyway... Um... Nah. The koan is inviolate. There is no outside, or before, or sunlight, or rain.

Even if you pick a different playing piece, Zendo does not permit relaxation of the purity of the koan. A stack of match books is inviolate, no matter how many shadows they cast, nor how fast they burn when lit with a discarded cigarette.

On Jul 30, 2011 1:10 AM, "S Myers" <iamthecheeze@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I would cautiously note that some Zendo Variant, played with other
> equipment including light-bulbs in the Koan construction, would allow
> shadows to be taken into consideration. I have played Zendo with beer
> bottles, wooden meeples, and other stuff, and the principle is the
> same. So, if your specific game uses light bulbs, then you could
> probably use shadows. I can imagine a D.I.Y. project of embedding
> small LEDs inside of a pyramid to effectively create a kind of small
> light bulb. This allows at least 2 new properties of the pyramid to
> play with: Light on or Light off, and in relationship to the shadow of
> another pyramid. And, do so knowing that you are treading your own
> path of invention.
> But no, standard Zendo does not take shadows into account. We must be
> able to build all Koans in another nation, a hundred years fFrom now,
> and maintain all properties.
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Brian McCue <brianmccue22312@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> The Zendo rules forbid external references, other than to the surface on which the pieces rest: BNs can't refer to, e.g.,  "a flat pyramid pointing North," or "the pyramid nearest the Master," or even "the pyramid nearest the edge of the table."
>> Last night, a player wanted to know if the BN could be something like "the shadow of a large pyramid falls upon a small pyramid." I said no, on the grounds that it was a forbidden external reference, but then somebody asked what was external about it, and I had a hard time saying.
>> Was I right anyway?
>> Brian
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