OK, I have pondered this some, and I have some strong words regarding the "Choosing Games" wiki page's current conceptual make-up. * Given: Publishing a pyramid game has so far been controlled through Looney Labs' ability and willingness to print. * Given: The vast majority of Icehouse games have been created after Hypothermia went out of print. * Given: I haven't heard of or seen an Icehouse Game Design contest since I've been an owner of pyramids. * Given: Many Icehouse games can't translate to a computer format--and I'd argue many more SHOULDN'T (whatever happened to getting together with friends?). Given the above, I posit that a game will NEVER qualify for Choosing Games again, unless some kind of democratic upsurge of proponents Admin Requests it enough (and an admin pays any attention to those tags). In effect, the Choosing Games is a "Past Masters" list and nothing more; it's fossilization flies in the face of wiki principles; and it's the FIRST scent of elitism I've EVER smelled around a Looney product. Yes, elitism. I've nothing against a "Suggested Games" page on the wiki--perhaps even something with digg-like elements or kudoes or any one of the bajillion web devices for ranking page content. But a title like "Choosing Games" should be about CHOICE, not "gatekeeping" or "qualifying" or "popular". I have to be published to qualify? Fine; I'll start PODing all my games; and only put cross-links on the wiki, to my Buy It Now site; and then they ALL will get on that page, right? So long as I am charging for the game, it can "qualify" as a Choosing Games game? *blech* I started this who thing by suggesting we vamp up the Categories... then that we go all-in with an actual custom database that tells a user EVERY game he or she could play with a given collection. But I wish I'd kept my mouth shut, if the whole discussion is going to come full circle with "resolutions" like: * We can't make more meaningful Categories; just let users flail about with vague ones. (FYI, I have discovered that, yes, I can make new Categories trivially--I did so for Roleplaying Games--so it's only a matter of combing through obsolete Categories, to relocate games to new Categories.) * Database integration into a wiki is "impossible" or "too hard" (even though a wiki IS a database). * A game must somehow "qualify" for inclusion on the ONE page that half-assedly accomplishes database-like sorting. Do I sound pissed? I am. The whole direction of this greater wiki discussion just stinks. I want the wiki to be a powerful, usable tool for new players; I want it to put all these cool games in folks' faces, so that they go out and complete their collections; I think the democracy of a wiki makes folks feel like Looney Labs is an open and liberal company in which they can directly participate (even though, yes, the wiki is technically unaffiliated). But I am only one voice. Who else feels as I do, and how many of us "qualify" as a majority vote? See, I think, when you're trying to push exclusion with regards to ANYTHING regarding Looney Labs... well, I think *one* NAY vote IS a majority veto. Hoping for a return to Looney attitudes; David