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[Icehouse] Re: Icehouse Digest, Vol 32, Issue 6

  • From"Sam Zitin" <sammyz@xxxxxxxxx>
  • DateTue, 8 Jan 2008 15:15:14 -0500
I discovered a nifty little games case idea a few years ago.  I bought a Crystal Caste Battle hive (intended as a miniatures case) and took the 2" thick foam insert and cut 5 slots into it.  Each slot perfectly holds 2 tubes of Icehouse pieces.  Additionally the case holds all my other looney games and a good sampling of my dice collection (of course put into custom foam trays).  I should put up some pictures at some point

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Today's Topics:

  1. RE: Laser-cut Icehouse storage (Bob Winans)
  2. Re: Laser-cut Icehouse storage (miyu)
  3. Re: Laser-cut Icehouse storage (Marc Hartstein)
  4. Re: Laser-cut Icehouse storage (Simon Budig)
  5. Re: Laser-cut Icehouse storage (Jorge Arroyo)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:23:51 -0500
From: "Bob Winans" <rwinans@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
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Again.. Very cool case! Much nicer looking then mine.

My setup is a plastic storage bin with locking sides and a top handle.
It looks very unimpressive but it stores all my LL stuff.

As to the treehouse vs. Single color stash, I took the simplest route.
I have one stash of every standard color and a stash of grey in single color
tubes (6 tubes total), then I have four treehouse style stashes, three are
the standard treehouse colors and one Xeno stash.

This covers any game you could want to play from treehouse to mega volcano
to Zendo.

It also holds: fluxx, eco fluxx, family fluxx, zombie fluxx, chrononauts,
nano-fictionary, AYAW, Zendo, three house, cosmic coasters, my 5x5 wooden
volcano board, Aquarius, Martian coasters (2 sets), q-turn, some extra large
D6's,a carrot box, bunchs of promo cards and catalogs and a ton of little
glass stones.

It's my "I'm doing a demo" box.

 -Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: icehouse-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:icehouse-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Worth
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:52 AM
To: Icehouse Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:31:52 -0700, David Artman wrote:
> I *is* a nice case, but I'd have to agree with Bob regarding all the
> loose items. Plus, if you have no tubes, you can't play Moon Shot, Ice
> Golf, or Drip (some of the cooler dexterity games, IMHO).

I've gone back and forth about the tubes. Originally, I carried my
pyramids tubeless, (but packed fairly tight), in a small case and I
liked that.

More recently, I've been carrying things tubed up and the tubes all
thrown fairly loosely into a small bag. And I have taught both Moon
Shot and Drip with some good success with that, (I should take another
look at Ice Golf sometime).

But one thing that still annoys me about the tubes is getting at the
pyramids I need. I still go back and forth between keeping each tube
filled Treehouse-like or single-color. And invariably if I want to
play a game like Icetowers requiring single colors I find my tubes all
Treehoused, and when I keep the tubes holding single-color stashes
someone asks to play Martian Coasters.

So when Simon showed me his case photos earlier, he mentioned how easy
it is to pull out a single row of pyramids and leave the others
undisturbed. And that definitely sounds appealing. There's still the
rows-vs-columns conundrum for colors, but it looks easier to handle
the "wrong" arrangement with Simon's case rather than with tubes.

Meanwhile, I've twice found that a tube lid has popped off leading to
a bunch of spilled pyramids at the bottom of my bag. But fortunately I
haven't lost anything to that yet.

-Carl

PS. But any excuse for doing laser-cutting is super-cool anyway. I'm
quite looking forward to services like ponoko.com growing up and
becoming affordable enough that I can get custom-shaped acrylic any
time I feel like it.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:26:31 -0500
From: miyu <xmiyux@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
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I have about 21 Treehouse stashes all in their tubes sitting in a cabinet in
my classroom. :lol:

You guys are making me very very jealous with the sweet cases.

                    -Ryan

On Jan 8, 2008 12:23 PM, Bob Winans <rwinans@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Again.. Very cool case! Much nicer looking then mine.
>
> My setup is a plastic storage bin with locking sides and a top handle.
> It looks very unimpressive but it stores all my LL stuff.
>
> As to the treehouse vs. Single color stash, I took the simplest route.
> I have one stash of every standard color and a stash of grey in single
> color
> tubes (6 tubes total), then I have four treehouse style stashes, three are
> the standard treehouse colors and one Xeno stash.
>
> This covers any game you could want to play from treehouse to mega volcano
> to Zendo.
>
> It also holds: fluxx, eco fluxx, family fluxx, zombie fluxx, chrononauts,
> nano-fictionary, AYAW, Zendo, three house, cosmic coasters, my 5x5 wooden
> volcano board, Aquarius, Martian coasters (2 sets), q-turn, some extra
> large
> D6's,a carrot box, bunchs of promo cards and catalogs and a ton of little
> glass stones.
>
> It's my "I'm doing a demo" box.
>
>  -Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icehouse-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:icehouse-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Worth
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:52 AM
> To: Icehouse Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
>
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:31:52 -0700, David Artman wrote:
> > I *is* a nice case, but I'd have to agree with Bob regarding all the
> > loose items. Plus, if you have no tubes, you can't play Moon Shot, Ice
> > Golf, or Drip (some of the cooler dexterity games, IMHO).
>
> I've gone back and forth about the tubes. Originally, I carried my
> pyramids tubeless, (but packed fairly tight), in a small case and I
> liked that.
>
> More recently, I've been carrying things tubed up and the tubes all
> thrown fairly loosely into a small bag. And I have taught both Moon
> Shot and Drip with some good success with that, (I should take another
> look at Ice Golf sometime).
>
> But one thing that still annoys me about the tubes is getting at the
> pyramids I need. I still go back and forth between keeping each tube
> filled Treehouse-like or single-color. And invariably if I want to
> play a game like Icetowers requiring single colors I find my tubes all
> Treehoused, and when I keep the tubes holding single-color stashes
> someone asks to play Martian Coasters.
>
> So when Simon showed me his case photos earlier, he mentioned how easy
> it is to pull out a single row of pyramids and leave the others
> undisturbed. And that definitely sounds appealing. There's still the
> rows-vs-columns conundrum for colors, but it looks easier to handle
> the "wrong" arrangement with Simon's case rather than with tubes.
>
> Meanwhile, I've twice found that a tube lid has popped off leading to
> a bunch of spilled pyramids at the bottom of my bag. But fortunately I
> haven't lost anything to that yet.
>
> -Carl
>
> PS. But any excuse for doing laser-cutting is super-cool anyway. I'm
> quite looking forward to services like ponoko.com growing up and
> becoming affordable enough that I can get custom-shaped acrylic any
> time I feel like it.
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:41:26 -0500
From: Marc Hartstein <marc.hartstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
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On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:31:52AM -0700, David Artman wrote:
> Not saying "Mine is better'n yours; nyah!" Just pointing out how I feel
> a storage system should also protect that which is being stored; and if
> you get a bad drop and scatter your mids, they are likely to suffer
> unnecessary chips or scratches. Heh... just like clay poker chips in
> such cases, I reckon. :)

It looks to me as though the foam should hold the pyramids snugly
against the acrylic, so I wouldn't expect things to move around much if
you drop the case while it's closed.

Are you saying you expect there to be a real risk of a drop popping the
latch, that you evaluate the safety of the items inside for a closed
drop differently than I, or are you concerned about a drop off the table
while the case is open?  I'm wondering if I'm missing something . . ..

If I were designing the case I might see if I could get a second layer
of foam in the bottom, though.  That looks like it lacks one, which
makes me a touch nervous.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:50:43 +0100
From: Simon Budig <simon@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
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Bob Winans (rwinans@xxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
> Just out of curiosity how much did the cut sheets cost you?

It actually is not that easy to tell  :)

Cutting cost + Material were about 40 USD according to the ponoko.com
website (I did not yet see the credit card invoice though). Shipping was
free due to a promotion from ponoco. I actually did cut some other stuff
as well, in total the site stated a invoice value of 63 USD.

Customs however assumed that "$" refers to NZD and hence the customs
stuff seems to be a bit lower than the actual price. However, since the
invoice (obviously) did not state any shipping cost, the german customs
office took some magical shipping cost from some magical table: 110 EUR
(Yikes!) of which 79% apparently contribute to the customs-value as
well. I ended up paying customs for 119.65 EUR (6.5%: 7.78 EUR) plus
Import sales taxes for a value of 150.53 EUR (19%: 28.60 EUR) - I have
no clue where this number comes from actually. Apparently the customs
value multiplied with some magical factor.

Summa summarum: additional fees of 36.38 EUR plus a 20 EUR "service fee"
for the import handling by TNT.

This dodgy math at least doubled the price. No, I won't do it again
unless ponoko has a contractor within germany...  :-/

Which of course sucks, because the service itself rocks.

This makes it a way more expensive case than I planned, but at least I
learned something (the hard way).

Given that the benefit of the lower sheet of the insert is not that much
you could do two identical inserts and get two for the price of 40 USD
at Ponoko. Which makes it more reasonable. I am also pondering about a
modular system which would allow being more flexible with the insert and
might be more plastic-efficient, but this is thought-experiments for
now.

Bye,
       Simon
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:59:47 +0100
From: "Jorge Arroyo" <trozo@xxxxxxxxxxxx >
Subject: Re: [Icehouse] Laser-cut Icehouse storage
To: "Icehouse Discussion List" <icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Maybe you should have looked for a laser cutting service within Germany, or
at least the EU :) I have a laser cutter I use to make piecepack sets and
other games/puzzles for my shop (in Spain) but I'm sure you can find a
service even closer...

-Jorge

On Jan 8, 2008 8:50 PM, Simon Budig < simon@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Bob Winans (rwinans@xxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity how much did the cut sheets cost you?
>
> It actually is not that easy to tell  :)
>
> Cutting cost + Material were about 40 USD according to the ponoko.com
> website (I did not yet see the credit card invoice though). Shipping was
> free due to a promotion from ponoco. I actually did cut some other stuff
> as well, in total the site stated a invoice value of 63 USD.
>
> Customs however assumed that "$" refers to NZD and hence the customs
> stuff seems to be a bit lower than the actual price. However, since the
> invoice (obviously) did not state any shipping cost, the german customs
> office took some magical shipping cost from some magical table: 110 EUR
> (Yikes!) of which 79% apparently contribute to the customs-value as
> well. I ended up paying customs for 119.65 EUR (6.5%: 7.78 EUR) plus
> Import sales taxes for a value of 150.53 EUR (19%: 28.60 EUR) - I have
> no clue where this number comes from actually. Apparently the customs
> value multiplied with some magical factor.
>
> Summa summarum: additional fees of 36.38 EUR plus a 20 EUR "service fee"
> for the import handling by TNT.
>
> This dodgy math at least doubled the price. No, I won't do it again
> unless ponoko has a contractor within germany...  :-/
>
> Which of course sucks, because the service itself rocks.
>
> This makes it a way more expensive case than I planned, but at least I
> learned something (the hard way).
>
> Given that the benefit of the lower sheet of the insert is not that much
> you could do two identical inserts and get two for the price of 40 USD
> at Ponoko. Which makes it more reasonable. I am also pondering about a
> modular system which would allow being more flexible with the insert and
> might be more plastic-efficient, but this is thought-experiments for
> now.
>
> Bye,
>        Simon
> --
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