Obvious ruling is that the game is disqualified. Breaks two of the rules. Older than N months, and has been published in print. Just to clarify, I didn't say (and didn't intend to imply) that it was an exclusively Icehouse club, just a gaming club. And, some clubs, due to school regulations or what not, may be requried to create a newsletter (for school recognized clubs anyway). Also, to expound on the print portion, would an e-newsletter be any less "in print" than a physical newsletter? Especially if made available through a website? Someone creating an e-book of their own Icehouse rules would or would not qualify as in print? Or is it only in print if they sell copies of the e-book (which then also makes it a comercial product)? Are the games posted on Invisible City Games website in print or not? What about a less well known website? How about if I make a PDF of my game? In the electronic age, in print has taken on a much wider definition. It does need to be determined just what the limits are on that definition as far as the IGDC competition is concerned. While a general concensus may be agreed upon in the here and now by the persons on this list, that does not mean it will be suitable for the list one year from now. Now, other factors may complicate a ruling, making the allowance of an exception desireable. A low number of entrants being perhaps a most influencing one in this particular example and a most likely complication at this point in time. Also, the "just make a ruling" attitude seems to have caused more arguments on this board than settled them. Most of which seem to devolve into name calling at some point. The less a coordinator has to make a judgement call, the less they will be called...well, look up some of the terms previously used. Finally, while the coordinator may make exceptions as needed/required/wanted, some people feel that any power not exclusively granted is excluded. Therefore the clause is just to acknowledge the ability granted to the coordinator and to, hopefully, prevent arguments before they start. Mostly I'm tired of the "Well Mr. Coordinator, I don't want to do your job, but I think I should be able to tell you how to do it" type arguments and just want a stated clause that the coordinator can point to and say "My decision, I'm allowed, now shut up." -----Original Message----- From: icehouse-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icehouse-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Plotkin Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:50 AM To: Icehouse Discussion List Subject: RE: [Icehouse] IGDC - Question On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Scott Sulzer wrote: > "The Competition is open to all original new games which > make use of Icehouse pyramids. A game is eligible if it was designed in > the past N months. An older game is still eligible if it has never been > published in print or been a commercial product." > > Ok, umm, and just because I'm going to try and poke holes in this so that > they can be fixed before any problems arise from it. Now, lets say I come > up with a quick little game which uses Icehouse pyramids. It's kind of fun > and we print it in our club newsletter (which is still actually printed out > so we can pass them out to interested parties). I learn about the IGDC at > month N+1 and submit it. Should it be disqualified? Yes. Because at some point you have to just make a ruling and get on with your life, and your example is contrived to make for an obvious ruling. Problem solved! I judge this to be a less likely case than a game in somebody's notebook somewhere. Because I've had games in notebooks, but I've never had a local Icehouse club newsletter. > Perhaps a clause allowing the coordinator to extend exceptions as they > see fit (meaning they don't have to explain to everyone and their dog > why they did or didn't extend the exception) would be a proper addition > to the rules, for just such a case. That would be another way to do it. Of course, the coordinator can make exceptions whether there is such a clause or not. --Z -- "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..." * Just because you vote for the Republicans, doesn't mean they let you be one. _______________________________________________ Icehouse mailing list Icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.looneylabs.com/mailman/listinfo/icehouse