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Re: [Icehouse] Explaining icehouse as simply as possible

  • From"Timothy Hunt" <games@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • DateMon, 23 Jul 2007 21:11:05 -0500
My artwork skills aren't very good, but if anyone is considering it,
you might want to consider http://www.plaincards.com/Playing.html

This is an 8-up plain-on-both-sides set up - the cards there are
microperforated.  They are 60mm x  89mm (a little larger than the 56mm
x 87mm of the Fluxx cards).

The Matte cards are simplest, depending on qty's bought work out at
8.6c, 7.7c, 7.6c per card

Coatable cards (without the spray can of coating) work out at 8.2c,
7.5c, 7.2c per card,

The coating spray is adds roughly 3.5c per card

That also doesn't take into account the cost of ink/toner.

for the materials,  you're talking between 10-15c per card.

This also doesn't include shipping costs, both from plaincards.com and
from whoever decides to make them to the those of us that want them.

I got a little bit lost on the point, which was whoever does lay-up
should at least consider being able to print them front and back so
that the fit on the 8-up card sheets listed above.  That way, if
someone wants to print them on plain card, they can, and cut them out,
and if anyone wants to go to the cost (with the benefit of getting the
cards identically cut) of printing them on the pre-cut cards, they are
already laid out in the right way.


On 7/23/07, Kristin <kristin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you for your thoughts on other things that need tweaking on
this Treehouse page, I hope to find time to update that page soon.

As far as the ideas for an Icehouse specific card like the micro
catalog - awesome ideas, but nobody here at Looney Labs is going
to have time to produce such a thing any time soon.  That said,
if someone designs such a card, we can add a prominent link on
this main Treehouse page to download a file you guys can print
and cut up to make such cards to carry with their pyramids.


--On July 23, 2007  Carl Worth <cworth@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:30:12 -0500, "James Hazelton" wrote:
> > I've been thinking about an Icehouse explanation card as well. By
> > trying to explain verbally what I'm playing, I have to get across the
> > name of the actual game ("Black ICE"), what they'd need to know to
> > search google ("Icehouse"), and what they'd need to know to buy or
> > order from a local game store ("Treehouse"). Nobody is quickwitted
> > enough to remember all of that when the expected answer is a single
> > word, like "Monopoly," or "Hearts."
> Yes, that's exactly the problem---very well said.
> And while a single Icehouse-introduction card would definitely help a
> lot; what might be even better would be a bunch of game-specific
> cards. The back could be common and teach shared names like
> "Icehouse", "Treehouse", and "looneylabs.com" while the front gave an
> introduction to the specific game being played.
> That does mean designing N cards instead of 1, but it also avoids the
> problem of having to decide which games make the cut and get mentioned
> on the card.
> Now if only I had any artistic sense, then I could get started on
> doing some mockups...
> -Carl
> PS. And as proof that people aren't quickwitted to remember all those
> names, someone just followed up with me today asking, "Where can I get
> this funny pyramids game you have?". So either no name stuck there,
> (or maybe he was someone that watched without asking any specific
> question).
> And fortunately, in this context, (email and chat, rather than a noisy
> restaurant/bar), it's easy to give a definitive answer:
>       http://www.looneylabs.com/whybuy/treehouse.html
> Though things I note on that page now:
>   * There's not yet any mention of the Origins award
>   * The "next, add a copy of Martian Coasters" wording makes it sound
>     like that's a required expansion, (before just buying two more
>     treehouse sets). That seems to undermine the 3House pitch a bit I
>     think.
>   * The "This represents Big Changes!" section is clearly written for
>     sake of a retailer switching from monochrome stashes to
>     treehouse. I assume that that's no longer necessary? (The brochure
>     isn't available for sale anymore I noticed.) And this paragraph is
>     mostly just noise for anyone getting their first introduction to
>     the game.
>   * It seems it would be useful to list Treehouse itself as a product
>     at the top of the list titled "Other Icehouse Accessories you can
>     purchase," (perhaps changing the title slightly).

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