I thought the way that the second
paragraph, which applys to a player during his/her turn, comes into play was in
- Assume a Hand limit of 2 is in effect.
the turn player plays a card that gives everyone playing a card. This is no
problem for the player with no cards or one card. But a player with two cards
now, immediately, has to discard some card in their hand.
- However, the turn player has no such compulsion - because the rule says
"during your turn, you may ignore the hand limit". In fact, they can draw
dozens of cards throughout their play.
from the interpretation by Andy, as I understand it, the turn player can
choose to apply the Hand Limit at any point during their play, allowing them
to discard without playing cards over the limit (and I'm certain that Andy, or
one of the other rule lawyers, will correct my characterisation of the Looney
Ruling if I have misunderstood it).
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I would like to preface this by saying that this has absolutely
nothing to do with Playing Before Drawing, except for that I realized this after
the issue made me take a closer look at my cards. In fact, I'm done arguing for
Drawing Before Playing. I've made my point (loudly), and I can now only let
others make the choice for themselves. Now, on with the logic! Hand Limit 2If it isn't your
turn, you should only have 2 cards in your hand. If you have extra cards,
discard them immediately.
During your turn, you may ignore the Hand
Limit, as long as you discard all but 2 of your cards when you end your
To recall, the basis for the
decision that you can apply the Hand Limit during your turn comes from the third
sentence. "During your turn, you may
ignore the Hand Limit..." The use
of the word "may" implies that you may also choose not to ignore--and thus
apply--the Hand Limit during you turn. This is a very specific ruling based on a
loophole in the text. However, if we look more closely at it, we see that no
loophole actually exists.
What part of the Hand Limit does the "During
your turn" player (hereafter known as the "turn player") get to ignore?
Obviously not the first paragraph, as that is clearly directed at players whose
turn it isn't (hereafter known as "non-turn players"). The only part of the Hand
Limit that applies to the turn player is the power to ignore the Hand Limit. In
effect, he can ignore only his power to ignore.
The compulsion to
discard applies to only the non-turn players, and the turn player when his turn
ends. Since neither of these affect the turn player when it is
his turn, he does not have the power to not
ignore (and thus apply) the power to discard cards.
terrible to try and explain. I deleted whole paragraphs three times because they
weren't clear enough. If anything doesn't make sense now, please let me