tbaileysr@xxxxxxxxx writes: >My point was it doesn't matter when it occurs in a game chekmate is >the end thus end game. As Dale mentioned, the two terms are similar looking, but don't mean the same thing. Endgame is a chess-derived term referring to the stages of a game -- opening, midgame, endgame. It refers to the lifecycle of the game, and to different gaming skills. A chess game can end in the opening or endgame--in fact, if you have a weak endgame, you probably will try to make this happen. (this is "game" as referring to skills to have a "weak engame" means your game (your skills) aren't well suited to the engame). A checkmate is the end of the game, but it's not the endgame; at that point the game is over and the terms opening, midgame, and endgame don't have any meaning any more for it. -- Joshua Kronengold (mneme@(io.com, labcats.org)) |\ _,,,--,,_ ,) --^-- "Did you know, if you increment enough, you /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' /\\ get an extra digit?" "I knew," weeps Six. |,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ /-\\\ "We knew. But we had forgotten." '---''(_/--' (_/-'