Web-based UIs, though, can be alterable. I have huge numbers of Greasemonkey scripts installed on Firefox that do just that -- for a variety of forum types. Since I, too, am not good with the many-clicks-for-one-discussion thing. Wikis don't alter well under that kind of scripting, though. On 10/4/07, Marc Hartstein <marc.hartstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 01:57:34PM -0400, Dale Sheldon wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, David Artman wrote: > > > >> Summary: forums are best, wikis a close second (functionally), and lists > >> are lame > > > > I feel (almost) exactly opposite. Forums are lame (imho), wiki talk pages > > are lamer still, and lists are great. > > I disagree with both of you. Forums are conceptually great, but the > typical execution is lame. > > Mailing lists allow *me* to choose a UI, so I can decide how I want the > data presented and how I want to interact with it. Most forums are > implemented with only a single (these days typically web-based) UI layer > available. Using Wiki has the dual problem that it forces and single UI > *and*, as Dale mentions, it's not designed for discussion. > > The UI thing is a big deal for me. If I have to mouse around to read > anything and to go from topic to topic and to reply etc, I'm much less > likely to interact with the community as much as if going from message > to message (in a threaded fashion, no less) is as simple as pressing > 'j', and replying is as simple as pressing 'r' or 'L'. > > I'd support a move to a multi-UI supporting forum, but I only know of > one, and I'm not sure whether the project has all the features we'd need > to justify the switch. > > _______________________________________________ > Icehouse mailing list > Icehouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.looneylabs.com/mailman/listinfo/icehouse > > > -- "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953