Looney Labs Icehouse Mailing list Archive

Re: [Icehouse] IGDC initial design for feedback

  • FromDavid Artman <david.artman@xxxxxxxxx>
  • DateThu, 19 Mar 2009 12:48:53 -0400
IMNAM, but this is thread creep and (largely) speculation:

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Timothy Hunt <games@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:12 AM,  <tbaileysr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> And that is why Looney Labs and retailers like th current packaging model and end users do not.
Looney Labs and Retailers like the current packaging model because it
sells, whereas Icehouse stashed didn't.  Who are they selling to, if
not to "end users"?

This is not thread creep (and therefore relevant):
If someone said "Hey, I'm designing a game that uses chess pieces",
and then proceeded to make a game that required the use of 10 queens,
you wouldn't complain at people who made chess pieces, you'd suggest
that the game designer might want to reconsider his design.

No offense to Sam, but given that Pyramids are sold as TreeHouse sets,
not Icehouse stashes, you really should take that into consideration.

This is anecdotal, but at least somewhat relevant (e.g. you can play the game as written, but would not like unpacking all 10 sets, or something?):
 I have an (almost) full collection (don't have Pink Treehouse yet),
and I could only just manage the 2 opaque stashes requirement.  I'm
likely an exception, and I largely did it for the pretty.  My Xeno
pieces rarely see the light of day, and for the vast majority of games
require "5-house" at most.

This is not true, but if you want your game played by A MAJORITY, it is:
If you want your game played, you have to have a game that can
reasonably be played under the current sales model (which I like, and
I'm an "end user"), because otherwise, it's simply not going to see
the table, because even people who are "maxed out" (5-house) on either
rainbow or xeno are unlikely to buy another full 5-house ($60 retail),
just so they can play one more game.

So I count, let's say, four threads above, only one of which involves Sam's games, and the rest of which involve personal opinions about something out of our control (except as consumer who can vote with dollars).

It's Sam's thread to police, but let's not turn it into some morass of issues in the little time between when he posted for opinions on his design and the next time he gets to check the list, OK?