[I'd sent this reply earlier, but just realized it went to Buddha Buck only, not the whole list.] > So what combination of New Rules and Keepers would be necessary to > both Draw 8 and Play 8, both of which would be necessary to play > Taxation! or Steal A Keeper 8 times in a turn? > > I would argue that "Play All" isn't a reasonable answer since we are > discussing a situation where there are no cards in the draw or discard > piles. If you can explain how to get no cards in the draw or discard > piles while Play All is in play, I'll take back this argument. D'oh! I didn't think through that side of it. If Play 4 is in play with the rest, you would have an effective Draw 8, Play 7. So at most you could play Taxation only 7 times :-). But wait ... if the player played Play All early in the turn in question, I think it would work. Bryan