Looney Labs Icehouse Mailing list Archive

Re: [Icehouse] Does the IGDC matter?

  • From"Jason Spears" <spielboy@xxxxxxxxx>
  • DateThu, 21 Feb 2008 16:28:16 -0500
As a fan of Reiner Knizia games* and the Gipf series, I have no
problems with the game being themeless. I was thinking the other day
that I needed to get more Icehouse games to the table (piecepack to
come, as I just made up a set last night.)

I want to play Zendo more. I want to play homeworlds with a group of 6.

Fortunately my lunch gaming partner is as keen on abstract luckless
games as I am, so we get some of those to the table then. (We started
work on our own icehouse game on Wednesday, no idea if it will
progress to be a game worth publishing.)

But you bring up a VERY good point Jorge. Presentation means a LOT to
many gamers. They want to be presented with pretty pictures and a bit
of story, even if some will claim it is pasted on, it seems to help
sell the game. (In this usage "sell" can mean both $ and just getting
someone to try it.)


*Kidding, don't get your knickers in a twist.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Jorge Arroyo <trozo@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I think this touches a problem that generic game systems such as Icehouse
> and piecepack have. They're excellent tools for a game designer, but they
> don't seem to have the same appeal to players. I'm thinking more and more
> (and it's unrelated to the results of the competition) that once you set the
> ideas for a game down, and find a set of core rules you're satisfied with,
> then you're better off designing specific components and taking the design a
> step further. In fact, I've been toying with different ideas since I
> "finished" VF to take the game to another level, with specific components.
> I've been thinking the same for some of my piecepack designs, but still
> don't have anything really definitive...
> That's not to say there are no good icehouse games. There are excellent
> games, but I find these games (with some exceptions) only scratch my inch
> for luckless abstract play (games like Alien City, Pikeman, Martian Chess,
> Homeworlds, etc... which I mostly do on SDG). When I play a game at home, I
> find myself going more for thematic games... It's hard to do a thematic game
> with abstract components, even though there are some in both game systems
> that more or less manage to do it...