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Re: [Icehouse] Proposal for next contest

  • From"Jorge Arroyo" <trozo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • DateMon, 24 Mar 2008 15:07:30 +0100
Well, the most time consuming job judges have to do is play the games. To ask judges to write down their thoughts (3-5 lines as I said)  is just to put into words what's already on their heads. They already know more or less why they're ranking the games the way they're doing it, so that work has already been done.

Another possibility is to ask non-designers to provide feedback and to require designers to provide feedback. This way if you want to participate with your game, you know you have to provide feedback for all the entries so that your entry is valid. This seems reasonable if we expect voting turnout not to increase anytime soon. At least this way we know we won't decrease it while we also know all the games will get some amount of feedback for sure.

Avri, I'm eager to read your feedback about my game. I look forward to you posting it.

Cheers,

-Jorge

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Avri Klemer <avri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You think we had a poor voting turnout this time, but you want people to do even more work next time . . .
 
I *will* post feedback on all games shortly.
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jorge Arroyo
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: [Icehouse] Proposal for next contest

Hi all,

  Here's something I've been thinking about that I'm pretty sure would make the next contest both more useful for designers and more fair overall: Require voters to add a small paragraph explaining their votes. It doesn't need to be a full review for each game, just a small explanation to justify their rates.

  With this small requirement of the judges, we can all have that information right after the contest so games can be made better right away. It will also make it more difficult to abuse the contest and to vote strategically instead of sincerely. Now, I'm aware that it's very hard to eliminate strategic voting, but at least it will require an effort. If a game is so bad it's almost broken, no amount of sweet talk will justify ranking it 1st. And if a game is very good, it will be more difficult to justify ranking it last (although, of course, as tastes do variate a lot, the system might not be that effective in this case).

  The only drawback I see is that adding more work to the judges might reduce its numbers even more and we don't really want that. But I can't see how writing 3-5 lines of text after trying out a game will be too much work, so I'm more inclined to add this requirement. What do you all think?

   In a concrete note,  I'm still trying to figure out why Virus Fight was rated as bad as it was by some judges, especially other designers. It's not only that I don't think it deserved those rates, but that if they really thought the game was so bad, I'd like to know why so I can fix it if necessary. So, I'm asking of all of you who rated it badly: please, speak up. I can take it. I've made an effort to provide some limited feedback for every game, but if everyone else doesn't do it too, it won't be very useful. I'm still hoping that entering this contest will be proven to have been a good decision.

  Cheers,

-Jorge



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