Well, now that we're on a ramble... ;) > From: "Elliott C. Evans" <eeyore@xxxxxxxx> > Actually, it's 4 cents per card (You want to divide the price by the > number of cards, not vice versa.) Two Liberal Arts degrees: $40,000 Never having to say your sorry for math errors: Priceless > the price of the sticker sheets and the time you spend cutting, > applying, and trimming the stickers. I though that was a "push," given that we're speaking of re-purposing existing cards. You're not considering the new trees that must be brutally murdered in their prime, to make PlainCards; whereas the souls of those trees that gave themselves to MTG or SF were long ago put to rest and forgotten.... > Plus, your deck says "Shadowfist" on the back What's your point? I happen to like Chinese women doing flying side kicks; doesn't everyone? > and you make Shadowfist designers cry. I think they all hung themselves back in the 20th Century; but if any are still around and getting royalties... well, I don't think they'll cry long before heading to the bank. Besides, SF *is* a cool game; and a full box will set you up with quite a few decks and still have, oh, a couple hundred left over for use as proxies. IIRC, the game even has a four-card-per-deck limit by the rules, so unless you almost *have* to have four of a certain card in almost *every* deck... you're gonna have some repeats that you'll never use at all. > 432 Plaincards are only about 7 cents each with blank backs, and you > just print out onto the cards. There's a bit of labor in punching them > out, but they have nice rounded corners and you can even print out > custom backs. Ah, yes... in color, right? That's, what, anywhere from 10¢ to 30¢ per sheet... times two, if duplexed? (OK, OK, that's a push--gotta print on the sticker sheets to make proxies... but not the backs!) > but their product completes well > cost-wise, saves time/effort, and produces nicer cards. I'll take your word for it. But... How are they on long-term bleed-through? Are they in any way see-through? Can they accept laser printing? Do they flow well through high-speed printers? How ragged are the perforations? How many do you lose (tear, crease, smear) per sheet, in disassembly? How do they shuffle? How about after a hundred shuffles? How much is the clear-coat spray (sold on the site), per card? > Anyway, just my opinion. Reasoned, experienced, and well informed, but > my opinion nevertheless. =^> And remind us again of what opinions are like...? ;P *tongue out of cheek* In all seriousness, though, I really do think it's "better" to re-purpose existing, heavy duty cards than to build from scratch with some kind of perf sheets. Recycle, Reduce, *Reuse*, doncha know. David